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Men and women together with Woman as Imam, a lady gave Azaan with shoes and without head cover in New York Church after the Mosques of NYC denied them permission,they asked the church authorities for permission and got one.



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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 11:53:55 AM »

SHE IS GIVING AZAAN WEARING SHOES



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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 12:03:10 PM »

Oh yes, Dear brother, I have got lot of pictures of this such a NA-JAIZ thing from my cousin lives in Canada
and then I sent her a detailed answer, how it is HARAAM or NA-JAIZ.

I will definetly share that answer with u all brothers and sisters. Insha Allah
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 12:13:31 PM »

Astagfirullah....Allah o Akbar, Allah o Akbar, Allah o Akbar
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 12:33:27 PM »

Following is the answer with references wat i have sent to our cousin

There is all wrong because women can be imam but for women only. and the way the other women giving Azaan, plz c what she wore (Shoes in Masjid which is the house of Almighty Allah) and even in the Masjid there is no hijab in her head.

CONDITIONS FOR LEADERSHIP IN PRAYER (WHO CAN BE AN 'IMAM'?)

The following are the 6 conditions for leadership in Prayer:
The leader must (1) be a Muslim, (2) be Sane, (3) be an Adult, (4) be Male, (5) know Qur'an al Kareem recitation and (6) not be disabled.

The aim of it all is to make the congregation flawless and more beneficial. This shows that even if only one woman is participating in the congregation prayer she should stand in the rear, apart from men and children, so much so that even if her own children were forming the front row she must not stand with them but at their back. This is crystal clear gender segregation during the Prophet's lifetime. The Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam gave due attention to these things and also exhorted the Ummah to be particular about them. Occasionally, he would speak of the divine reward that was on observing these directions and warn those who disregarded them of severe chastisement in the life to come.
Regarding the women's Imamah in Salah (prayer) she can lead congregational prayers of women only. It is not permissible for a woman to lead prayer of mixed gender congregation, even if the congregation allows her.

Did Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha ever lead a mixed gender congregation?

The answer is no, she did not. Not while the Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam was alive and not after he died. Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha had led some women in jama'at (congregation) but that she stood in the middle of the row, not in front of it.

This hadith gives clear justification for women's Imamah for women only and rejects her Imamah to mixed gender. If Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha like women, the Mother of the Believers and the best woman of creation, did not lead men in prayer then

How should 21century women lead men in prayers?

Is she think herself superior than Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha ?

Does she feel that she has been cheated or made inferior and that the only way to be intellectually and spiritually equal to men is to claim her leadership in Salah?

Why not she feels superiority in giving child birth which is much more important emotionally physically and spiritually than leading congregational prayers? It is actually she who gives birth of Imam. In my opinion her Imamah of mixed gender congregation will change nothing except disorders balance in the Ummah. Instead of this if she use her sincere intentions, correct knowledge of islam and right conduct to make her child Imam that will certainly solve problem that matters in the world. She should look at Hazrat Fatima Razi Allaho Taala Anha daughter of the Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam for an example.

Hazrat Umm Waraqah, the daughter of Hazrat Abdullaah bin al Harith said, "The Messenger of Allah Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam used to visit her at her home. He appointed a mu'adhdhin to call adhan for her and he commanded her to lead her ahla-dar (individuals of her home) in prayer." Abdul al Rhman said, "I saw that her mu'adhdhin was an old man". (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 1, hadith No. 592)

It is ignorance and biased approach to infer from this hadith that dar is a larger geographical area which needed the service of a mu'adhdhin. Actually it is not dar only rather it is ahla dar which means her individual home and nothing is evident in this tradition that indicates mu'adhdhin, an old man offered Salah behind Umm Waraqah or she led any man in prayers at all. Also the text says "He appointed a mu'adhdhin to call adhan for her" which here never mean that the mu'adhdhin was to call people to come and pray with her. There are two aspects of adhan. One is that it is the summons to prayers and the other is that it is the call of faith and a public declaration of Islam. In the former case, it is the duty of a Muslim to get ready for celebrating the service as soon as he hears the adhan and reaches the  Masjid in time while in the latter, he is called upon to affirm both from his heart and tongue every part of the call when he hears it
Besides strong authenticity, this hadith is much more strong argument than Umm Waraqah's tradition because Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha was a Faqiha of the first rank, the most knowledgeable women of the Ummah or of human history, and if any woman could lead men in prayer it should have been `A'isha.

It is related by Tariq bin Shahab that the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam said,

"To offer the Friday prayers in congregation is obligatory for a Muslim.

Four kinds of men are exempted from it:
1.   the slave who is legally owned by someone, 2. the women, 3. the boy who has not attained majority and 4. the sick". (Abu Dawud)

When the Friday prayer is not obligatory on the women then how could she lead Friday congregation and delivering sermon – that too in church – is extremely very distant talk? Those advocating the permissibility of female for leading congregational prayer in Friday and deliver Friday sermons are falling into the trap of hypocrites. They do not obey Allah and His messenger, the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam This will lead them astray and finally to hell.

The Glorious Qur'an speaks,
"The hypocrite men and the hypocrite women are of the same genre, they enjoy what is evil and forbid what is good and they withhold their hands(from charity). They forgot Allah, so Allah has forgotten them. Verily the hypocrites are evil-doers" (9:67),

" The male believers and the female believers are each others allies, they enjoin good and forbid harm, they establish prayers, practice charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them Allah will have mercy. Verily Allah is Mighty, Wise". (9:71)


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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 01:14:29 PM »

Following is the answer with references wat i have sent to our cousin

There is all wrong because women can be imam but for women only. and the way the other women giving Azaan, plz c what she wore (Shoes in Masjid which is the house of Almighty Allah) and even in the Masjid there is no hijab in her head.

CONDITIONS FOR LEADERSHIP IN PRAYER (WHO CAN BE AN 'IMAM'?)

The following are the 6 conditions for leadership in Prayer:
The leader must (1) be a Muslim, (2) be Sane, (3) be an Adult, (4) be Male, (5) know Qur'an al Kareem recitation and (6) not be disabled.

The aim of it all is to make the congregation flawless and more beneficial. This shows that even if only one woman is participating in the congregation prayer she should stand in the rear, apart from men and children, so much so that even if her own children were forming the front row she must not stand with them but at their back. This is crystal clear gender segregation during the Prophet's lifetime. The Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam gave due attention to these things and also exhorted the Ummah to be particular about them. Occasionally, he would speak of the divine reward that was on observing these directions and warn those who disregarded them of severe chastisement in the life to come.
Regarding the women's Imamah in Salah (prayer) she can lead congregational prayers of women only. It is not permissible for a woman to lead prayer of mixed gender congregation, even if the congregation allows her.

Did Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha ever lead a mixed gender congregation?

The answer is no, she did not. Not while the Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam was alive and not after he died. Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha had led some women in jama'at (congregation) but that she stood in the middle of the row, not in front of it.

This hadith gives clear justification for women's Imamah for women only and rejects her Imamah to mixed gender. If Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha like women, the Mother of the Believers and the best woman of creation, did not lead men in prayer then

How should 21century women lead men in prayers?

Is she think herself superior than Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha ?

Does she feel that she has been cheated or made inferior and that the only way to be intellectually and spiritually equal to men is to claim her leadership in Salah?

Why not she feels superiority in giving child birth which is much more important emotionally physically and spiritually than leading congregational prayers? It is actually she who gives birth of Imam. In my opinion her Imamah of mixed gender congregation will change nothing except disorders balance in the Ummah. Instead of this if she use her sincere intentions, correct knowledge of islam and right conduct to make her child Imam that will certainly solve problem that matters in the world. She should look at Hazrat Fatima Razi Allaho Taala Anha daughter of the Prophet Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam for an example.

Hazrat Umm Waraqah, the daughter of Hazrat Abdullaah bin al Harith said, "The Messenger of Allah Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam used to visit her at her home. He appointed a mu'adhdhin to call adhan for her and he commanded her to lead her ahla-dar (individuals of her home) in prayer." Abdul al Rhman said, "I saw that her mu'adhdhin was an old man". (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 1, hadith No. 592)

It is ignorance and biased approach to infer from this hadith that dar is a larger geographical area which needed the service of a mu'adhdhin. Actually it is not dar only rather it is ahla dar which means her individual home and nothing is evident in this tradition that indicates mu'adhdhin, an old man offered Salah behind Umm Waraqah or she led any man in prayers at all. Also the text says "He appointed a mu'adhdhin to call adhan for her" which here never mean that the mu'adhdhin was to call people to come and pray with her. There are two aspects of adhan. One is that it is the summons to prayers and the other is that it is the call of faith and a public declaration of Islam. In the former case, it is the duty of a Muslim to get ready for celebrating the service as soon as he hears the adhan and reaches the  Masjid in time while in the latter, he is called upon to affirm both from his heart and tongue every part of the call when he hears it
Besides strong authenticity, this hadith is much more strong argument than Umm Waraqah's tradition because Hazrat Ai'sha Razi Allaho Taala Anha was a Faqiha of the first rank, the most knowledgeable women of the Ummah or of human history, and if any woman could lead men in prayer it should have been `A'isha.

It is related by Tariq bin Shahab that the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam said,

"To offer the Friday prayers in congregation is obligatory for a Muslim.

Four kinds of men are exempted from it:
1.   the slave who is legally owned by someone, 2. the women, 3. the boy who has not attained majority and 4. the sick". (Abu Dawud)

When the Friday prayer is not obligatory on the women then how could she lead Friday congregation and delivering sermon – that too in church – is extremely very distant talk? Those advocating the permissibility of female for leading congregational prayer in Friday and deliver Friday sermons are falling into the trap of hypocrites. They do not obey Allah and His messenger, the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam This will lead them astray and finally to hell.

The Glorious Qur'an speaks,
"The hypocrite men and the hypocrite women are of the same genre, they enjoy what is evil and forbid what is good and they withhold their hands(from charity). They forgot Allah, so Allah has forgotten them. Verily the hypocrites are evil-doers" (9:67),

" The male believers and the female believers are each others allies, they enjoin good and forbid harm, they establish prayers, practice charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them Allah will have mercy. Verily Allah is Mighty, Wise". (9:71)

very informative...thanx for sharing..
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 02:14:38 PM »

Astagfirullllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaah....
These is wat they call liberation of women???
Wearing Jeans, Shoes and standing next to men in namaaz...

This is height of Jahaalat..
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Allah Azzawajal Tamam Ummat ko is fitne se bachaye.
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