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Title: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 11, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
As-salamu-alaikum all,

I just came across this news floating on the internet that a church had allowed Muslims to pray Tarawih prayers within their premises.. INSIDE THE CHURCH. The link is as under.

http://mohammadthalif.blogspot.com/2010/11/taraweeh-prayers-in-church-can-you.html (http://mohammadthalif.blogspot.com/2010/11/taraweeh-prayers-in-church-can-you.html)

I also wanted to draw attention to the LOCKED TOPIC in the same forum (IS IT GUNAH TO WISH A NON_MUSLIM  ON HIS/ HER FESTIVAL) AND ITS FATWA by respected Mufti Sahab that What Fatwa will be imposed on these muslims and their act When non-muslims are allowing them to pray inside their churches?

Whether you call those muslims who PRAYED in Church as Kaafir/ MUSHRIKS/ BIDDATI or What OR

Will you change your point of View on your verdict? OR

You will still say that Wishing Non-Muslims on their festivals is Gunah? Please clarify?


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 11, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Walikum Assalaam Wa Rehamtullahe Wa Barkathu.,
Welcome brother Ghaws it was nice to have you back..

First condition of Salah or Namaz is Paaki. You have to be Clean and Paak.
The Place where you are praying should be clean and Paak.
In the church if you have people around who are drinking Wines, Eating Pork and their are statues of Jesus, Mother Marry around.

Do you think that Offering Namaz at that place should be allowed. Or will any sensible muslim wish to pray at such a place?

Salah is 100% Compulsory..Even if you are in a state of War or are far in a desert you have to pray...there is no Excuse for it..
But dont you think that Going to Church and praying in that environment better than that would be to pray at your home...

Allah has given you exceptions in most Extreme cases like if you dont find anything to eat and you would starve to death then
you can even eat pork and drink wine same way i guess if there is no place on earth where you can pray then i guess you can pray anywhere
but if you can pray at your home then whats the need to go to a CHURCH..


Do you think that if their are pictures of living beings around you your prayers are valid.?

Posting links from Internet has become a trend and i will give you more links and images of the Scholars from West.

Lady Imam is leading the prayers with men and women.. Is it Allowed..?
(http://s4.postimage.org/H6lYA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVH6lYA)

To Read more Visit :
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,3488.0.html (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,3488.0.html)

Ladies praying in shorts. With no Head covering.
(http://s2.postimage.org/wNPX0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TswNPX0)

To Read more Visit :
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,8581.0.html (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,8581.0.html)

If you say that we Leave our Islamic Scholars and Muftis and start taking examples from west as in links above then i m Sorry.
We do not agree with you nor the Scholars of the West which preach that We start praying in Churches.
Or a Women can lead prayers for men and women both standing in same row.
Or you can pray with your shoes on.

Our or I should say my point of view is the same which goes with our Islamic Scholars that say
Celebrating Christmas with Non Muslims is Not Allowed. Wishing them is Not Permissible and Non Muslims are not allowed Entry into our Masjids.

I can give you the exact definition of Masjid and its requirements but i dont want this post to get lengthy and people reading it will avoid it..
so if you need we can discuss this further also my friend.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 11, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Reply for brother with ID: soldier of ISLAM

As-salamu-alaikum everyone,

I think You did not understood my question properly. I wanted to ask the status of those people praying inside the church? That's it.. And you are giving me the conditions and circumstances of offering namaaz.They are both different things. please understand the question properly before you reply.

Moreover you also gave me a verdict that NON_MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED INSIDE THE MASJID. Where did you get this from? PLease QUOTE the REFERENCE.

Do you know that this is the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad sallao Alayhi Wassalam that he not only ALLOWED NON MUSLIMS INSIDE MAJID_E NABAVI BUT ALSO ALLOWED THEM TO PRAY ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN FAITH.

Similar things happens in the topic (IS IT GUNAH TO WISH NON_MUSLIM on HIS/HER festival). I asked the reference of book of LUGHAD regarding the defination from brother with the ID: MSMQASMI. HE never gave me any reply for my post MOREOVER THE ADMINISTRATORS LOCKED THE TOPIC WITHOUT ANY REASONS.

It seems like you guys are trying to IMPOSE your understanding of ISLAM to the people reading these post instead of letting everyone to discuss the topics and satisfying their concerns with the arguments of QURAN and AHADEES.

Wassalam,
YOUR BROTHER IN ISLAM.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 11, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
Reply to Brother ghaws786.

Walikum Assalaam Wa Rehamtullahe Wa Barkathu.

First i would like you to calm down and not get excited and read my reply again

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"Allah has given you exceptions in most Extreme cases like if you dont find anything to eat and you would starve to death then
you can even eat pork and drink wine same way i guess if there is no place on earth where you can pray then i guess you can pray anywhere
but if you can pray at your home then whats the need to go to a CHURCH."

I have said that according to me if Church is the Only place available on earth where we can pray ONLY then a muslim should go and pray there.

Please refrain to put words in My Mouth.
We are no one to say is a Muslim Kafir, Mushrik or whatever.


If you want you can go and ask a Ahle sunnat wal jamaat scholar and he will tell you.
But I am sure you will believe your instincts and your understanding much above the Mufti or Scholar hence i have not quoted any Fatwaa or Opinion of Scholars.

Also please let me tell you i know that RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam allowed Chirstians to be specific the King of Habsha and his companions to stay in Masjid e Nabvi and also granted them permission to pray according to their faith..(See i also follow youtube videos)

But Friend dont you understand a simple thing that those Christians were Guests of RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam they had come to Medina and it was the Ikhlaaq and Noble character of our beloved prophet that Courteously Temporarily during their stay they were allowed to stay and pray in Masjid e Nabvi. It was because the King of Habsha had provided Refuge to Muslim when the pagans of  Makkah wanted to kill them. Moreover the King of HABSHA believed that RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam was a Prophet of Allah.

It was not made a Rule.

RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam did not tell muslims Ok if we have allowed Christians to pray in a Masjid then from tomorrow all the Sahabas are also allowed to pray in Churches.

This is wrong interpretation of the Incident to Please the Non Muslims and impose thoughts of one person on the entire Muslim World or i must say enteri Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat.


Regarding the Topic which you are talking ample time was given for both the views to be put on and only after the Moderator consulted a Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat Mufti his views were put on board and the Topic was locked as both the views were their and people were free to choose their view. I guess the Polling is still on and the results talk for themselves what the members think. Lets not merge the two topics again and derail this discussion also like the other one.

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It seems that It seems like you guys are trying to IMPOSE your understanding of ISLAM to the people reading these post instead of letting everyone to discuss the topics and satisfying their concerns with the arguments of QURAN and AHADEES.

Brother the problem with you and your like minded people On the INTERNET is that they read a few hadees Online here and there..read a free quranic ayats..listen to a few CDs or youtube videos and start Challenging an AALIM or a MUFTI...

You forget that an Aalim or a Mufti has spent his entire life Learning, Reading and Understanding Quran, Hadees and Masale Masaails of Fiqh.
You just bluntly come and throw your views online and want all people reading to agree with it and appreciate it where as this is Not True.



Just by reading a Few Hadees byhearting a Few Quranic ayaats and going through a Few Videos online will not make you greater then a AALIM or a MUFTI.

Or You Announce here that you are the BIGGEST MOST INTELLIGENT AALIM of AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAAT and everybody should follow you..

What we are doing here is putting views of all the islamic scholars not only one and let the people decide.

After you have asked your question let me also ask you  a few things.
1. Is it permissible to offer Namaaz wearing pictures of live creatures.?
2. Is it permissible to offer Namaaz in a room which is full of statues and pictures.?
3. Is it allowed for a Muslim women to lead Jamaat having Male and Females..?

I would appreciate if you have a PEER please consult you PEERSAHAB b4 answering the questions...


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 12, 2010, 05:14:05 AM
Ha ha ha... it seemed like it's you got excited pretty quickly. Thanks for your announcement regarding me. You declared what I do not want to declare myself.

Coming directly to the topic; Brother you still did not understood my question and just beating around the bush.

First of all; I am not asking anything "ACCORDING TO YOU"; if you can prove anything from Quran and ahadees then speak up else just learn from the posts. Let the scholars speak up; who have spend their entire life in understanding Qur'an Hadees and Masle Masail of Fiqh. I want to learn from them.

Regarding the incident about habsha and christans inside the masjid-e nabvi.. brother I don't want to go that far. I am asking you a simple question.

Before accepting Islam on the hands of Prophet Muhammad Sallaho alayhi wasallam anyone who accept Islam is a NON believer.

These NON-BELIEVERS COME INSIDE the masjid-e Nabavi, then accept Islam and then become Muslims. I think most of the companions (may peace be on them all) CAME INSIDE MASJID-e-NABAVI in this state of NON-BELIEVERS and then become Muslims. This is common practice of Rasool-ullah sallao Alayhi Wassalam. So where does your RULE go now? Masjid-e Nabavi was open for everyone instead of Just Muslims.

Secondly, you are trying to say that a NON-MUSLIM is ONLY allowed to enter into Masjid if he is a guest or if the IMAM or caretaker of the Masjid has any obligation towards that person. So I will again say, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE anything. This is not what our beautiful deen teaches us.

At last, I would appreciate if I hear the verdict from the scholars regarding my question. No need to deviate from the topic by posting unnecessary questions.

Wassalam,
Your Brother in Islam


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 12, 2010, 11:59:14 AM
Hehehehe...
My Dear Brother...Its so very clear in my reply that ACCORDING to me Namaaz in Church is Not allowed Only in case of Exception where there is no other way out only then it can be made allowed..

In my opinion you are just beating around the bust and have gone in an infinite loop repeating the same thing again and again.

Brother I would like to please Request you not to compare the Noble Companions of Prophet ( sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam) and the King of Habsha with these Christians & Non Muslims of today.
Today is a completely different scenario. we can discuss that later in another thread if you want....

So if Masjid e Nabvi was opened in those days for all.. Are you suggesting that Today also Masjid e Nabvi should be open for All..
Christians, Hindus and all other Non Believers.. and Saudi Government has done a Gross mistake by Non Allowing Non Muslims in  Makkah and Medina?
Is this what you are pointing towards.

The Question which i have asked you are not unnecessary and they are very much related to this topic..
If you answer those question then you yourself would have answered your questions is Namaaz allowed in a church or not..

If brother ghaws786 is unwilling to answer please i would request other learned brother on forum to answer and help brother ghaws786 understand this simple issue...

After you have asked your question let me also ask you  a few things.
1. Is it permissible to offer Namaaz wearing pictures of live creatures.?
2. Is it permissible to offer Namaaz in a room which is full of statues and pictures.?
3. Is it allowed for a Muslim women to lead Jamaat having Male and Females..?





Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 12, 2010, 12:05:04 PM
Assalaamualycum Wa Rehamtullahe Wa Barkathu.,
we all know that We Muslims pray on Roads and footpaths on friday when the masjids are full.
Everywhere in the world..in india pakistan bangladesh uk saudi.
but only if the masjid is full then.

As per the question of praying in the church..if the prayers are being offered in Church compound where there are No statues of Virgin Mary or Pics of Jesus and angles flying and if its a clean and neat place then Prayers can be allowed in the church in emergency situation as per the link provided that the Masjid work was not completed in time..

But not inside the actual church were on every wall you see pictures and images of Angles, Mary, and Jesus.

would like to here more from other members..

And please would request the Admin not to lock this topic till we reach a conclusion.




Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: rahul_619 on November 12, 2010, 02:23:38 PM
brother it is allowed as long as that place is clean and in front of you there is no statue picture etc just the wall etc then its allowed


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: mushfique on November 12, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
Uss salaam wa alaikum,
Like to share one beautiful hadees sharif:
Sahi Bukhari 4.636
Narrated Abu Dhaar
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which  Masjid was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you."

Sahi Muslim Sharif 251
Narrated AbuHurayrah
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: I have been given superiority over the other prophets in six respects: I have been given words which are concise but comprehensive in meaning; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me; the earth has been made for me clean and a place of worship; I have been sent to all mankind; and the line of prophets is closed with me.

Prophet suallalahu alihe wa sallam said "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you" and also "he earth has been made for me clean and a place of worship; I have been sent to all mankind; and the line of prophets is closed with me" and now few people are saying NO a BIG no. Its better for me to stick with the words of the Prophet suallalahu alihe wa sallam rather than following my own NAFS.
Mushfique


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: mamqasmi on November 12, 2010, 02:32:53 PM
Walaikum Assalaam Wa Rehmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

Brother - pehli baat to yeh k Deen main har aisi cheez jisko amal main laanay say koyee FITNA uth jaye us say parhez karna chahiye yani TAQWA ki raah ikhtiyaar karni chahiye - jab yeh cheezain Huzoor Nabi e Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam - Sahaba e Kiram Ajmayeen - Tabayeen - Taba Tabayeen - Aulia Allah - Buzurgan e Deen aur aajkal k Ulama e Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat k mukhtalif adwaar main nahen huween unki zarorat aaj kaisi par gayee

Brother yeh bata'ain k jab Allah Kareem nay yeh farma diya k
Yahood o Nasara tumharay dost nahen hain

Aur Huzoor Nabi e Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam ka farman e paak hay k
AGAR AHL E KITAB (YAHOOD O NASARA) MAIN SAY KOI TUMHAIN SALAAM KARAY TO JAWAB MAIN KAHO WA ALAIK (only)

Kyun k walaikum assalaam kehnay say aap unpar salamti bhejaingay aur salamti sirf musalmanoon k liye hay k jab tak yahood o nasara main say koi islam qubool na karlay salamti nahen hosakti unpar.

To is hadees sharif ki roshni main yeh mafhoom huwa k basically Yahood o Nasara par Salaamti na bheji jaye ya unpar Salaamti nahen hay - to brother jab unpay salamti he nahen to unki woh jaga jahan tasaweer lagi hoon - jahan sharab pi jaati ho wahan par salamti kaisay ho sakti hay - Kia Allah Kareem nay dunya main hamari jaga mehdood kardi hay k hamain jaga he na mil rahee ho k hum wahan jakar apni namazin parhain

Brother - Yeh sab Kuffar - Yahood o Nasara ki saazishain hain k hum unkay saath khana peena shru kardain unkay ghalat kamon main shamil hokar apni aaqibat kharaab karlain - yeh to woh log hain jinhon nay Quran e Kareem ki surton k muqabil apni banayee huwe surtain bana di hain aur unko launch bhe kar diya hay to jo log Allah Kareem k paak kalaam k saath aisa kar rahay hoon unsay kiya bayeed ki jaasakti hay

Ab yeh baat note karlain k hum to woh fakhr e maujodaat o ummat hain k jinkay Sardar - Huzoor Nabi e Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam par unkay ummatiyun par Zameen ka tamam gosha namaz k liye pak kardiya gaya hay magar iska matlab yeh to nahen jahan gandagi ho wahan namaz parhi jaye zahir hay k uskay liye Paak saaf jaga ka hona zaroori hay

Aur doosri baat jahan tasaweer (pics) aur kuttay (dog) maujood hoon wahan say rehmatain utha li jaateen hain to kia aap chahaingay k Church main ja kar namaz ada karain jahan ja baja Tasaweer maujood hoteen hain - jahan rehmat he nahen wahan namaz ka qiam kyun kar mumkin ho sakta hay

Brother Masjidain Allah Kareem ka ghar hay aur Allah Kareem nay Quran e Majeed main rishad farmaya k
MASJID WOH HAY JISKI BUNYAAD TAQWA PAR RAKHEE GAYEE HO

Jabkay Huzoor Nabi e Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam nay farmaya k
Farz namaz k ilawa sunnaton aur nawafil ko ghar main ada karo unko qabr na banayo

to brother is say yeh pata chala k Namaz ki adaegi k liye Pak Saaf jaga ka hona zaroori hay ya us jagai ki bunyaad kam az kam Taqwa o Parhezgari par qaim ho - aur agar koyee church aisi tamam cheezon say paak hay to wahan Namaz parhi jaasakti hay

Kyun k SAJDA USI KA NAAM HAY JAB TUM HO SAAMNAY - Allah Kareem to har jaga maujood hay chahay woh Kaaba ho ya Kalisa ya Butkhana ya maikada -

Brother - Allah Kareem ki maarifat ka raasta to Huzoor Nabi e Kareem Sallallaho Alaiahy Wasallam say pata chalta - Buzurgan e Deen o Aulia Allah say pata chalta hay - muraad yeh k paak hastiyun say milta hay na k unsay jo Allah Kareem ko to maantay hoon par Allah Kareem ki na maantay hoon - Hazrat Syedna Isa Alaihay Wasallam ko Na'aouzobillah unka beta maantay hain aisay log Allah Kareem k raastay ko kia jaanain

Yeh mera apna view hay so plz don't mind


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 12, 2010, 03:05:41 PM
As-salamu-alaikum everyone,

It's nice to hear some opinions here on this topic. Before further discussion, I want to point towards some facts in the posting.

1. First of all; this is a tarawih prayer. This means that there should be more than one Imam leading the prayer.

2. Those imams who are leading the prayer; obviously they are Hafiz-e Qur'an. There is no doubt about that.

3. Since they are hafiz-e Qur'an; they should also know the terms and conditions of offering namaaz.

4. Since Aalims are involved in leading prayers they should be careful of the Taqawah and the prayer hall in which they are offering the prayer.

Summing up everything that if all the conditions of prayers are met properly they can offer Namaaz inside the church. There is no harm in that.

Now, I wanted to ask to all those who have Polled "NOT ALLOWED"

What is the status of all those Muslims in Sharia, who have prayed inside the church? Are they considered Kaafirs/ Mushriks/ Biddati or they are considered MUSLIMS?

Wassalam,
Your Brother in ISLAM


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: MUSTAKAHMED on November 12, 2010, 03:50:44 PM
Very good question. If church will  be clean as per our Islam theory then and after start praying in church there will be not allowed to pray as christian prayerhall there after only namaz will allowed.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 12, 2010, 04:28:59 PM
Wonderful Answer given by brother mamqasmi.. Jazakallah khayr for spending so much time and explaining so precisely..

Now taking things ahead.
Quote
1. First of all; this is a tarawih prayer. This means that there should be more than one Imam leading the prayer.
2. Those imams who are leading the prayer; obviously they are Hafiz-e Qur'an. There is no doubt about that.
3. Since they are hafiz-e Qur'an; they should also know the terms and conditions of offering namaaz.
4. Since Aalims are involved in leading prayers they should be careful of the Taqawah and the prayer hall in which they are offering the prayer.

Brother whatever a Hafiz e Quran does can not always be deemed right. There are many Hafiz e Quran who are Bd Aqeedah and they believe that Rasool Allah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam is Mazallah Dead and we should not goto dargah and we should not celebrate Milaad and many other things.

Second there are many Scholars and Quran Hafiz from west who have considered it correct for a Lady Imam to lead prayers with men and women in her Jamaat. Which is not True. So please do not give examples of Scholars from the West who do not have any idea what they are doing in the name of Universal Brotherhood.


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What is the status of all those Muslims in Sharia, who have prayed inside the church? Are they considered Kaafirs/ Mushriks/ Biddati or they are considered MUSLIMS?

There is no specific TITLE for a Muslim praying in a CHURCH...This Act is disliked by Scholars and Should not be done.

According to the Hanafi and Shaf'i schools, it is disliked to pray in such places in general.

As per the question of Brorther with ID Soldier of Islam.
Wa Alaykum Salaam

It is Makrooh Tahreemi to pray wearing clothes that have images of living things printed on them: wearing such clothes is prohibited even when not praying. (Dur-e-Mukhtaar ma'a Rad-dul-Muhtaar, V2, P502)

Having an image above your head (on the ceiling), on the place of sajdah, in front of you, or towards your left or right makes the prayer Makrooh-e-Tahreemi; having it behind you is also Makrooh but not as bad as the other cases.

Remember that commiting an act that it Makrooh-e-Tahrimi in namaz, makes it wajib to read it again. Please take care of all these things.

Hope this helps.





Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Raziya Warsi on November 12, 2010, 05:56:57 PM
wonderful reply given by brother Sayed Noorie..

this sums it all up

It is Makrooh Tahreemi to pray wearing clothes that have images of living things printed on them: wearing such clothes is prohibited even when not praying. (Dur-e-Mukhtaar ma'a Rad-dul-Muhtaar, V2, P502)

Having an image above your head (on the ceiling), on the place of sajdah, in front of you, or towards your left or right makes the prayer Makrooh-e-Tahreemi; having it behind you is also Makrooh but not as bad as the other cases.

Remember that commiting an act that it Makrooh-e-Tahrimi in namaz, makes it wajib to read it again. Please take care of all these things.


The Options of voting are incomplete as always the admin should also have a option of Disliked.

Bcoz there is a world of difference between Disallowed and Disliked.
My voted wud be for disliked.



Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: masood on November 12, 2010, 06:09:07 PM
Quote

The Options of voting are incomplete as always the admin should also have a option of Disliked.

Bcoz there is a world of difference between Disallowed and Disliked.
My voted wud be for disliked.


Agreed. Added.

The Options were kept in accordance with the original question. But Now we understand that one more option is Necessary.
Hence we modified the Poll.

And we also have given a option of CHANGE VOTE.

Anybody who has voted previously can REMOVE his Vote and Vote again for the new option
If he so wishes.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Mohsinkhanrazvi on November 12, 2010, 07:26:19 PM
Asslm Alaikum,
Namaz ko wahi per aada karna chaye jysa ke hamare islami masail me se hai ke jaghe ka paak hona,
ab raha sawal jage to pak hai CHURCH wali laikn hamre doston ko malum hona chye ke Church wo jagha hai jo padrion ki ibadat gah hai .....
esai kal bhi Islam ke dushman the aur aaj bhi Islaye hamre Musalmano ko unse dur hi rahna bahter hai............
Allah sub ke Iman ki hifazat farmye Ameeen.....


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 13, 2010, 02:41:50 AM

As-salamu-alaikum all,

For Brother Sayyed Noorie: Brother you quoted in Reply No: 12

It is Makrooh Tahreemi to pray wearing clothes that have images of living things printed on them: wearing such clothes is prohibited even when not praying. (Dur-e-Mukhtaar ma'a Rad-dul-Muhtaar, V2, P502)

Brother, I think that you have copied and pasted this reference from the internet; because of one simple reason. If wearing such a cloth is prohibited then Prayer should also go into prohibition. It should not fall under Makrooh Tehrimi.

This cannot happen that you are wearing a prohibited dress and the prayer fall under makrooh Tehreemi. Please clarify or Provide another reference...if you wish. However this is not the reason why I am posting this reply.

You also mentioned that:

Second there are many Scholars and Quran Hafiz from west who have considered it correct for a Lady Imam to lead prayers with men and women in her Jamaat. Which is not True. So please do not give examples of Scholars from the West who do not have any idea what they are doing in the name of Universal Brotherhood.


Brother please do not differentiate between scholars of west and east. A scholar is a scholar; and we should respect him as he should be respected. However there is no LAW which states that Eastern Scholars are much Better Than western Scholars.

Please bear in mind that the THREE BIGGEST FITNAS OF ISLAMIC HISTORY

1. Fitna-e Wahabiyat
2. Fitna-e Qadyaniyat and
3. Taatari Fitna

They all emerge from EAST. So please be careful on what you write.

Regarding the position of "NO TITLE" for a person praying inside the church. That Means that WE CAN STILL CALL THEM MUSLIMS?  Please note that, Now here I am not talking about the act or Place. I am only talking about their status.

Comments are welcome.

Wassalam,
Your Brother in ISLAM.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: huma on November 13, 2010, 03:44:40 AM
Assalamu alaikum wa rehmatullahe wa barkathu.. Auhuzu billahi minaz shaitanir rajim, bismillah ir rahmanir rahim..
It is for the sake of perfect union between Allah subhanu-wa ta'ala and our ourselves that we avoid pictures or images, and avoid places where such thoughts are so strong that the sheer grossness of that place makes the namaz ineffective. It is  necessary to patiently look at this issue. Whether in a church or a temple, each building has been built for a purpose and many things may have happened there. Unless, the person who is of such a calibre that he can clean that place with one namaz, moslems  cannot pray there. Also, if the church is alternatly used, like for both mass and jammat , is perfectly not valid. If the community wants to handover the place to moslems then there is no issue.
On topics such as wearing shoes or standing for namaz without the heads covered, the question people should ask is ' majboori se kiya gaya ya marzi se.?If it was majboori that the scarf was not available or the organisation did not permit, then praying would have been better than not-praying.. that would be entirely between the bandhe and Allah mia. If their neeyat is clear, then no one can interefere in their prayers. Agar, ye baat ek naya soch ya habit k payda karraha he jis se sub jayaz hai,  wo baat bilkul galat hai. Like the constitution of any country, amendments to the shar'ia cannot be made without consensus or permission from Allah subhanwa ta'ala. Waise bhi har cheez dil se maloom karna acha hai. We are living in difficult times no doubt.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ATTARI on November 13, 2010, 06:53:31 AM
WAALAIKUMAssalaam Wa Rehamtullahe Wa Barkathu.
JAZAK ALLAHU KHAIR


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 13, 2010, 09:31:04 AM
The last working place which i worked was Runned by hindu management, but they allowed around 50 staff to pray in ramadan time in thier premises, (The hyper mall) what is not thier in the mall which is agaianst the shariah , even we had Maulana who used to come and lead the prayers ,even he was happy that we made sure that we did nt miss the prayers.

note :we made  sure that  it was clean and done in 2 groups (which will not affect the work as management had respected the our faith and  given  excellent arrangement though being hindus,,,,, ladies arrangement was done  sepeartely,

This is my own experinece and we made sure that the dress code was maintained by all (ladies & gents) for the salah.

people who are considering is haram , makrouh and so on , what do you consider about this???????????????

islam is the religion of peace and tolerance .

kindly comment


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 13, 2010, 10:12:28 AM
Brother Arsh You have done the right thing by praying in Two Groups and Praying in a clean place.
Also i am happy that you maintained the Dress Code. and Ladies and Gents prayed seperately. Not like west all in one jamaat standing shoulder to shoulder

For Brother with id Ghaws786
i surely think he needs some Islamic Guidance and should spend some time with a Kaamil Peer to understand the Masle Masaails of Namaaz.

If he thinks that You can Pray with Images of Live Creatures on your clothes and around him, I guess he should read Book of Namaaz - Masle Masaail Again,
which in India we teach to students in madarassa.

There are many types of Makrooh in Namaaz in some cases its disliked and should not be repeated..But the worst kind is Makrooh e Tehrimi which makes it compulsory for you to repeat the namaaz..Even if you wear your clothes upside down then also your prayer comes in category of Makrooh e Tehrimi and should be repeated.


Again I would say if you dont differentiate between the scholars you are on a Wrong PLACE...
RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam said that there will be people in my Ummah that will be Quran Hafiz but there Quran will not go below their throats, They will keep Fasts, Offer Salah much more than you but it will never be accepted.

If you think that a Lady can lead a Jamaat with Men and women standing shoulder to shoulder and still call themselves Muslim.
Then i really have nothing left to say but only that ALLAH help you brother..


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Ajmal Siddiquie on November 13, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
Good work brother qasmi, arsh, noorie and others..

Reply for brother Ghaws786,
Earlier i thought you are a very intelligent person and knowledgeable also  but you have some confusion in your mind on a few issues
But now i guess you need real lessons from some good Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat Scholars.

You know the types of FITNA but not the Types of Makrooh..Strange.
If you wanna know about the real Fitna please visit
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php?topic=13182.0 (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php?topic=13182.0)

You do not understand the difference between Makrooh and Makrooh E Tehrimi..?
MAKROOHE TEHRIMI

1 - Jisko chorna aur jisse bachna nihayat jaroori hai
2 - Jiska gunah aur shariyat ke khilaaf hona shar'ie zan'ie daliloon se sabit ho
3 - Jiska karna agarche gunahe kabeera aur haram ke darje se kam hai, lekin chend martaba karne aur is per hameshgi karne se yeh kaam bhi GUNAHE KABEERA mein shumaal hoga
4 - Is kaam ka karne wala FASIQ aur AZAAB ka haqdaar hai, aur is kaam se bachna SAWAB hai
5 - Makroohe Tehrimi kaam muqabil hota hai WAJIB kaam ka

MAKROOHE TANZEEHI

1- Jis kaam ka karna shariyat mein napasandida hai
2 - Jiske karne per kisi bhi tarah ka gunah ya azaab nahi, lekin is kaam ki adaat dalna bura hai
3 - is kaam se bachne mein bhi ajr o sawab hai
4 - Makroohe tanzeehi kaam mukabil hota hai sunnat e gair e muaqqida kaam ka


What does 'disliked' mean in the Hanafi school?
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1939&CATE=25 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1939&CATE=25)

For More Check this thread..
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html)


ALLAH N HIS BELOVED HABEEB sallallahu alaihi wasallam KNOW BEST


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 13, 2010, 02:26:50 PM
dear sayed noorie,qasmi, ajmal  and others,,


you have completely misunderstood what our brother  Ghaws786 is saying .

he is from ahle sunnat jamaat and  i know him very well ,

and  you have agreed to  my point that we can pray in a mall ,which has all kind of pictures and envirnment which is agianst shairah ,

 THEN ITS ACCEPTABLE ,to pray inthe  church premisis , provided you keep the shariror terms,,,,,,,,,,




what is the difference between a hyper mall and a church , both the places thier is worship,,infact the hyper mall has idol worship ( hindus).

if you consider the christians they are the people of book, and our BELOVED PROPHET  has ALLOWED THEM TO PRACTICE THIER FAITH IN MASJID E NABAWI,

IF YOU CONSIDER  HINDUS , THEY ARE NO WHERE NEAR.


WHERE HAS HE MENTIONED THAT THEIR WAS A VIOLATION OF ISLAMIC SHARIAH.

BROTHER GHAWS 786  IS NOT FAVOURING ANY FITNA ,

HOPE YOU GO THROUGH THE QUESTION AND UNDERSTAND.


ONCE AGAIN I WANT TO SAY WE ARE ALL STUDENTS (LEARNERS) , LETS NOT ACCUSE EACH OTHER.....

I HAVE EXPLAINED ON THIS  TOPIC IS ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE PRAYED SALAH IN AN NON ISLAMIC ENVIRNMENT ,OTHERWISE MAY BE I WOULD HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT OUR BROTHER GHAWS IS SAYING.




Allah (st) and beloved prphet mohamed ( saw) knows the best.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 13, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
I never knew that a Hypermall and a church are same.

Brother Arsh please go and read the Sharia Rules before saying what is allowed and what is not allowed.

Contact your Peer Sahab and let him teach you the Masle and Masaail of Namaaz.

If he says that you can Pray NAMAAZ with Images of Live creatures on your Clothes or In front of you.

Then i am really very Sorry and Can just pray to Allah (Subhana wa taaala). to show you the right path.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 13, 2010, 04:08:56 PM


DEAR BROTHER SAYED NOORIE......

 I never knew that a Hypermall and a church are same.????????????

where is he saying that you can pray infront of or with the pictures,



I never knew that a Hypermall and a church are same,,,,

they are same in the context that both have anti sharaiah pics in them,,,,,,,thats what i meant ,

kindly do understand what the other person is explaining ,,

stop being sacastic , its very easy to be sacastic than to be kind.......

 
and being Ahle sunnat jamat you can just accuse and be rude then thier is no difeerence between you and baad akeeda people ,,,,

AHLE SUNNAT HIGHEST PRIOIRTY IS ADAB , ( RESPECT FOR ALL).

THANKX FOR THE DUA FOR MY HIDAYATH  I ALWAYS NEED IT , I AM ALWAYS A LEARNER AND WILL BE .




Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 13, 2010, 04:28:45 PM
DEAR BROTHER SAYED NOORIE,,

Our peer has thought us to be patient and listen to what the other person is saying and reply in a Polite manner.

BECAUSE AHLE SUNNAT HIGHEST PRIOIRTY IS ADAB , ( RESPECT FOR ALL).

AS FAR AS THE Masle and Masaail of Namaaz GOES , I SHOULD LEARN IT FROM YOU.



Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 13, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
 :)

Brother ARSH, Ghaws786 and all like minded people...
This is my last reply on this topic. I really cannot discuss such a matter with a person who does not even know the basics of Islam.

RESPECT FOR ALL Does not mean that you start respecting a person who gives BAD Words to our Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam
RESPECT FOR ALL Does not mean that you offer Condolence to a Person who does not believe our Aaqa  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam to be alive.

Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). beheaded a person who questioned the Justice of Our Beloved Aaqa  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam

but i dont know in which world you people live...

Carry on brother respecting the Wahabis, Deobandis, Salafis, Ahmedis, and all people who are Enemy of Islam.

May Allah guide you and us to the right path...


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 13, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
 PERSON WHO KNOWS ISLAM DOES NOT RUNAWAY ,,,WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHICH WORLD YOU LIVE IN ,,,,


FIRST OF ALLL YOU DOINT UNDERTSTND THE TOPIC AND JUST COME INTO CONCLUSIONS AND CONFUSIIONS AND START ACCUSING OTHERS...

WE ARE DISCUSISNG HERE ABOUT THE  MENTIONED  TOPIC  , YOU JUST COME  UP WITH ALL THE Wahabis, Deobandis, Salafis, Ahmedis, and all people who are Enemy of Islam.

YOU ACCUSE THE SAME WAY THE BAAD AKEEDA PEOPEL DO ?????????










Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Sayyed Noorie on November 13, 2010, 06:17:40 PM
Brother Arsh
Nobody is running away but i personally beilve in the Kahavat
"Bhens k aage Bin bajaane se kuch nai hoga.."

I have understodd the question very well and aswered it also very clearly.
But you guys unnecesarily just keep up jumping up with something out of the context...

Let me try to explain again
Taraweeh in Church or for anyother namaz in church or at any place where there are pictures of live creatures falls in Makrooh e Tehrimi category means should be repeated.

People who pray in Church or Anyother such place out of some special reason cannot be called Kafirs or Mushriks
But should take care of not doing it purposely or again and again.

But if a portion of a church is such that there are no images or pictures or statues and is clean and paak but falls under the Boundary of Church,
Namaaz is allowed there.

I hope this is clear now.


Now you have to tell me which of the above explanation you dont agree..


Rest Allah knows best


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Rodrigues on November 13, 2010, 06:22:53 PM
This is all fuelled by egos. You're like football fans, my teams better than yours! !


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Rehana Raza Khan on November 13, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
mujhe to ptahi nai chalrha hai kaun kya kehna chahta hai yahan par

Arsh bhai kya aap keh rahe hain k aap aisi jagah par nmaaz padskte hain jahan tasveerein hon.
aur jahan hindu aur isaaayion k budh rakhe hon..?

qasmi bhai noorie bhai ne itne ache se samjha diya hai fir bhi aapki samaj me kyon nai aarha hai?


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 13, 2010, 11:25:26 PM
As-salamu-alaikum all,

After reading all the posts, after my last post, I understand that Some of my brothers do not understand my concern and are MISAPPLYING and MIXING one issue with another one. I think I should explain my question with an example.

Suppose a person drink wine. So drinking wine is Haraam or PROHIBITED in sharia of Islam. So when he read namaaz after drinking wine.. the namaaz which he reads should also falls under PROHIBITION OR HARAAM catagory. This is very simple. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT READING NAMAAZ  ITSELF IS PROHIBITED.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

What I asked in my last post is based on a reference of brother Sayyed Noorie from Dur-e Mukhtaar Ma'a Rad-dul Mukhtaar Version-2 Page-502. He quoted

It is Makrooh Tahreemi to pray wearing clothes that have images of living things printed on them: wearing such clothes is prohibited even when not praying.

Now here I am not arguing on the position of namaaz being Makrohoh Tahrimi. I am arguing on the portion of "wearing such clothes is prohibited". When wearing such clothes is PROHIBITED OR HARAAM then HOW CAN THE NAMMAZ FALL UNDER MAKROOH TEHREEMI. According to this reference IT SHOULD ALSO FALL UNDER PROHIBITED OR HARAAM category because the person who is reading Namaaz is wearing a prohibited Shirt.

That is Why I said that there is a mistake in the reference; and I asked my brother to provide another reference. I understand that since they cannot find any other reference; then they started accusations and posting the defination of Makroohe Tehrimi and Makroohe Tanzeehi; which I never disagreed at all.

That is why I always say; PLEASE READ AND WRITE CAREFULLY WHAT YOU ARE POSTING ; BECAUSE THIS IS AFFECTING THE LIVES AND THOUGHTS OF PEOPLE READING THE POSTS.

I hope I am clear this time and my beloved brother like Sayyed Noorie and Ajmal should refrain from accusing others. Brother whatever you think about me do not affect me at all; because this is unimportant. The act of acquiring knowledge is more important; Evan if it comes from your enemy.

This is my personal request to everyone who are reading my posts; that please read my Posts carefully. I am not here to challenge anyone OR to prove that I am the MOST INTELLIGENT PERSON on the forum as being projected about me. (May Allah( Subhana wa taaala) protect me from this this kind of Takabbur. Aameen) BUT I am here to discuss and understand the concepts clearly; IF THE BASE CONCEPTS ARE CLEAR, THEN IT IS VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND THE PERSON DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES OF MISAPPLICATION AND MISINTERPRETATION.

I hope the disagreement should be resolved after this.

Wassalam,
YOur BROTHER IN ISLAM


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: arsh1226 on November 14, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
dear all,

hope the confusion is clear,

everyone has thier opinion and we arehere to learn not to accuse ,

kindly see what brother rodgrigues is written ,

we ahle sunnat need to be a example even when we debate , definitly our understanding differ .

this forum is a like home for us , if we accuse each other , what will be the newcomer THINK OF the  forum

This   FORUM IS NAMED AFTER BUZOOR GA NE DIN,,,,,,,,, WE NEED ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND.


please please for Allah (st) and HUZOORE kayianths sake dont accuse , if you dislike the person opinion KINDLY ARGUE IN A ANY POLITE MANNER.

I AM HERE NOT TO MAKE IMPRESSION OR TAKKAABUR, BUT TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE IN ALL POSSIBLE WAYS ,


 



Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 14, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Quote
Suppose a person drink wine. So drinking wine is Haraam or PROHIBITED in sharia of Islam. So when he read namaaz after drinking wine.. the namaaz which he reads should also falls under PROHIBITION OR HARAAM catagory. This is very simple. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT READING NAMAAZ  ITSELF IS PROHIBITED.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.
It is Makrooh Tahreemi to pray wearing clothes that have images of living things printed on them: wearing such clothes is prohibited even when not praying.

Now here I am not arguing on the position of namaaz being Makrohoh Tahrimi. I am arguing on the portion of "wearing such clothes is prohibited". When wearing such clothes is PROHIBITED OR HARAAM then HOW CAN THE NAMMAZ FALL UNDER MAKROOH TEHREEMI. According to this reference IT SHOULD ALSO FALL UNDER PROHIBITED OR HARAAM category because the person who is reading Namaaz is wearing a prohibited Shirt.


Brother Ghaws here i m making a final effort to explain things to you. Please read this post carefully.

First understand in ISLAMIC Sharia everything does not fall under two Broad categoreis like Halaal and Haraam,
There are many categories beyond tat also


Not eveything is Farz Not everyhing is Haraam
There is No just Yes or No.

Positive Commondments and Negavtive Commandments have many categories under them like

1. Fard (compulsory)   :::  1. Haraam (Forbidden)
2. Wajib (Imperative)  :::  2. Makrooh Tehrimi (Condemend)
3. Sunnat -e- Mukkadah (Compulsory Recommendation)  :::  3. Isaat (Disapproved)
4. Sunnat Ghari ul Mukkadah(Directory Recommendation) :::  4. Makrooh Tanzihi (Improper)
5. Mustahab (Commendable) If you do it you will b rewarded If you dont do you wont be punished  :::  5. Khilaful Aula (Uncommendable)

Common in both category is Mubaah (Permissible/Indifferent)

Drinking Wine is Haraam hence offering Namaaz while drinking wine can also come in Haraam category.
But wearing clothes with Images of Live creatures is NOT HARAAM its Makhrooh. and Offering Namaaz wearing such clothes come under the second category that Makrooh Tehrimi. which is very close to Haraam but not Haraam like

Examples:
1) Delaying Asr prayer until the sun changes its colour
2) To hasten in offering the various integrals of Salat, such as the two prostrations and sitting in between them
3) The Using of gold or silver utensils for men and women
4) Buying and selling when the call for prayer (adhan) of Jumuah takes place

Ruling: Failure to abstain from such acts necessitates a sin and punishment in the hereafter, though the punishment will be of a lesser degree than that for committing a Haram, and abstinence will merit a reward. The one who rejects it to be unlawful will not come out of the fold of Islam, as opposed to Haram.


So praying with Images of Live Creatures in and Around you comes in Category of Makrooh Not Haraam  the punishment will be of a lesser degree than that for committing a Haram, and abstinence will merit a reward



This is the best i can do brother..

Rest Allah (Subhana wa taaala). and RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam knows best.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ghaws786 on November 14, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
Exactly... Now you are talking. This means that the reference quoted was wrong. It should be written as :

It is Makrooh to  pray while wearing clothes with living things printed on them.

Whatever you are explaining about Islamic Sharia.. I have already posted that on my YOUTUBE channel under the same name GHAWS786. You can visit and check that out; you may find other interesting clips as well.

Coming back to the actual question and summing up everything.

1. Praying inside the church is PERMISSIBLE IF CONDITIONS OF PRAYER ARE COMPLETELY MET WITH. It Falls under MUBAAH and NOT HARAAM at all.

2. Anyone who does this; STILL BE CALLED A MUSLIM and does not go out of embit of ISLAM.

Now, my next question would be;

IF the act of praying Inside the church is Mubaah or Permissible and the person still remains Muslim then What's wrong with wishing a NON_MUSLIM on his/her festival? Why should it fall under Prohibited or Haraam category?

Since Wishing a non-Muslim is an act of less intensity than Praying inside the church; Why did our respected MUFTI  SB. declared this to be NON-PERMISSIBLE OR HARAAM? I am referring to the post no. 77 on the topic IS IT GUNAH TO WISH A NON-MUSLIM ON HIS/HER FESTIVAL?

Please bear in mind..I still respect Mufti sb; because of his knowledge and service to Islam. I am ONLY challenging his decision based on the above stated argument. Please Clarify?

Wassalam,
Your Brother IN ISLAM.


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 14, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
There reference quoted was not wrong and its NOT Mubaah to pray with images around you ITS MAKROOH E TEHRIMI..which comes very close to HARAAM..

And your SALAH HAS TO BE REPEATED.

I have explained you in such simple Terms still you are confsuing people dont know why.
Nobody ever said it was HARAAM....

DO NOT PUT WORDS in our MOUTH..
Non permissible does not mean HARAAM.
Nor Does DISLIKE Mean HARAAM..

please go through all the post and you will understand what Dislike and Non permissible mean.




Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 14, 2010, 02:03:11 PM
Really brother i am not understanding your point of view.
why are you trying to confuse and complicate simple things.

First you say you are a student then you challenge a Mufti on his Teachings and Decision...

Do not misinterpret or Insult Mufti Sahab.
By Challenging his view you are insulting him without any reason..

the post clearly says NOT PERMISSIBLE...it does not MEAN HARAAM

Quote
I just spoke with Mufti Mehmood Akhtar Saheb on this matter, as per shariah he said wishing
christmans/diwali is not permissible..........



Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: Shifa Chishty on November 14, 2010, 02:28:36 PM
pehli baar surhe hain k jaanwar aur insaanon k kapde pehan kar nmaaz padna mubaah hai..yeh makrooh e tehrimi hai aur yeh ahle sunnat wal jamaat ke scholars ne kaha hai..

bhai yeh ghaws786 ki id se jo banda hai pta nai kyon fitne faila rha hai. maine dusre forum par bhi dekha hai k log sunni aur ahle sunnat wal jmaat ka naam lekar ghus jaate hain aur bina sar pair ki baatein karke forum ganda karte hain..

is bande par aaplog khaas nazar rakho yeh sirf logon ko gumrah aur confuse karrha hai  aur kuch nai..

jabki sayed noori, qasmi bhai soldier of islam ne saaf saaf apna opinion dediya jo k bilkul sahi hai


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: huma on November 14, 2010, 04:39:46 PM
 I am only so much hearing 'gunah' and the punishment and fear.. why not be a little human and look at it with genuine concern. It is not for punishment we don't do, it is because such things which are not pernissible are exactly so because they take away the intensity of prayer, a prayer which will be distracted by many ideas which will come in the way of a prayer. But, as I said if somebody has, say, worn a printed t-shirt but is very focussed in his prayer and his heart is one with allah ta'ala, he should not be hounded and tortured with words such as gunah, hell-fire.. any good moslem must gently remind him of the fact and check his neeyat, if he is on the wrong i am sure he will correct it, if he is not, then nothing to worry. If he is an informed moslem, then he has his own reasons for doing what he does. The beauty of islam is that it is not by force that things happen but by learning from a discipline of prayer.
Yes, there are issues of debate and these have to be talked about but in a democratic spirit..


Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: syedfayaz on November 14, 2010, 10:07:26 PM
Assalam-aliikumwarkmatullah

Its all about our Intention/NIYYATH which we do before PRAYER with fear in heart about Allah subhanawatala hoping for acceptence from Allah. We r not hear to say some 1's prayers is accepted or rejeted nor he's not a Muslim if he does so. It might be the situation bcz of which he would hv prayed. Do not waste your time by taking a vidio n simply writing 1 r others view. Plz accept what's right n reject it which is not permisabel to u as a MUSLIM in the shariya.

I am not hear to condome some 1 r sapport some 1.
Plz do forgive me if i heart some 1...

Jazaakallah Khairen



Title: Re: Tarawih Prayers in church-- Allowed or Disallowed?
Post by: ATTARI on November 15, 2010, 04:56:56 AM
Walikum Assalaam Wa Rehamtullahe Wa Barkathu.

Subhan Allah...AZZAWAJAL very nice sharing....

Jazak Allahu khair for ....gr8 sharing........