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Title: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Talib-E-ILM on November 29, 2010, 02:40:55 PM
Aauzo Billaahi Minash Shaitaan Nir Rajim
Bismillaah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim ;  Allah - Beginning With The Name Of - The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful.
Allahumma Salli Alaa Sayideena Muhammad Wa Alaa Aalihi Wa Sahbihi Wa Sallim.

On my recent trip to Medina I came across this Book being distributed by the Islamic Dawaah Center in Medina.
I was shocked to see the contents of the Book and would like the members of this Forum to review what is written in the Book.

Book is in Urdu Language so that the Muslims from Subcontinent can read it easily.


As written in Book : Urdu
Hazrat Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ne mawiya (Father of Yazeed) k liye  khilafat se  aise  aise mauke par dastabdari aur masehlat ka elan kiya tha jis waqt in k pass jannisar bhi maujood thay aur meri Mawiya se jangjari khana bhi mumkin tha.

Is k bar khilaf aap k bhai Hazrat Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ne Yazeed k khilaf apne chand kharib k sath jang ko tarji di. Yeh sab aise waqt me hua jab k wo narmi aur masehlat ka rasta ikhteyar kar sakte thay.

Mazkurah surat e haal is nateeje se khali nahi k dono bhaiyon me se ek haq par thay aur dusre galti par.

yani agar Hazrat Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka ladne ki saliyat k bawajood apne haq se dastabdari ikhteyar karna barhaq hai to Hazrat Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka masehlat ka imkan hota hai aur taqat wa quwat me kami hone k bawajood ladna batil hoga aur agar Hazrat Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka kamzori aur natauni k bawajood dakharooj karna barhaq tha to Hazrat Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka quwwat k bawajood masehlat ikhteyar karna aur apne haq khilafat se dastabdaar hona batil hoga.



Translation in English


It says that Imam Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). choose the path of Peace and did and Agreement with Muawiyah (Father of Yazeed), Inspite of having a large army and many brave fighters in his army imam Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). chosed the path of Peace.

Where as Imam Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). dint had a large army nor he was in a position to fight still he choose to declare War against Yazeed and got All his Beloved Killed.
Inspite of this It would have been better if Imam Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). would have choosen a path of Peace and Friendship as his brother HASAN.

Imam Hussain could have taken a path of Peace and Friendship like his brother and should have avoided the War.

According to the situation it would be CORRECT TO say One of the Brothers was wrong.
Either Imam Hasan or Imam Hussain.?


Page no-13,14 sawal no-9
BOOK- Shia Naujawano Ko Gamzaan Karne Wale Chand Sawalat
Writer : Suleman bin Saleh Alkharash


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Talib-E-ILM on November 29, 2010, 02:47:13 PM
According to this Ahle Hadees writer Battle of Karbala was a mistake.
And Imam Hussain should have taken a more Mature decision of Peace and Friendship in such a situation.
(Meaning that he should have Done Bayt at the hands of YAZEED)

He is trying to change the Outlook of Karbala war as a war which happened only for Political Reasons and could have been avoided..


Astafirullah....I cannot imagine how far these people will fall...
They are just misguiding the Muslim Youth and taking them away from the LOVE & Respect of RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam and Ahle Bayt.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: mamqasmi on November 29, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
Bhai yeh Jamat e Dawa darhaqiqat Ahle Hadees ki jamaat hay jo Yazeed k liye bhe Razi Allaho Anho ka lafz use kartay hain - inko to Allah Kareem ki taraf say he hidayat nahen hay to hum kahan say hidayat ki taraf inko raghib kar saktay hain aur insay aisi he baton ki parwah ki jasakti hay

Magar masla yeh hay k hamaray Ahl e Sunnat main bhe buhut say aisay sada qism k log hain jo sirf title dekh kar books buy kar laytay hain yeh nahen dekhtay k who is the writer infact from which aqida and then book read kar k bad aqeedgi ki taraf ruju kar laytay hain


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: shabbirbijli on November 29, 2010, 03:06:30 PM

The author of this book do not have knowledge on BATTLE OF KARBALA.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: mamqasmi on November 29, 2010, 03:08:02 PM
Brother knowledge alag cheez hay magar aqida he ghalat hay in logon ka


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: monu.mohsin on November 29, 2010, 03:18:14 PM
ILM haasil hone se nahin milta... Ye Allah waalon ka sadqa... Allah waalon ki Nisbat se milti hai...

Ye Ahle Hadees khud hi Padhkar samjhaa rahe hai logon ko, aur gumraah kar rahe hai...


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 29, 2010, 04:06:59 PM
I pray to Allah (Subhana wa taaala). that our Muslim Youth is saved from this Fitna.
And they get there Facts right before they even think to Comment on the Blessed Decision of our GREAT IMAM, IMAM Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).

To answer allegation of the Ahle Hadees we have to first understand the following..
1. Who was Hazrat Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). Father of YAZEED
2. What did Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam and Imam Ali  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). said about Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).
3. Why did Hazrat Hasan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). did an Agreement with Hazrat Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).
4. What happened after the Death of Hazrat AMeer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).




- Hazrat Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). was a Blessed Sahabi And Saviour of the Muslims. He was brother in Law of the Beloved Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him)

- Abdullah bin Amr says that Muawiya used to sit directly before the Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him) and write epistles and revelations.

- Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him) prophesised that Muawiya would be a Khalif and prayed for him.

- Ibn Umarya narrates he heard the Prophet say "O ALLAH make him a Guide and Guide him and Guide by Him."

- The Prophet also Supplicated O Allah Teach Muawiya the Book and Protech him from Punishment.

- The Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam advised "O Muawiya if you become AMEER then fear ALLAH and be JUST.

- The Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam said "Take counseling from Muawiya and include him in all your activities."

- When Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). made Muawiya the governor of Syria he said Only say good things about Muawiya.

- When returning from from the Battle of Siffin, Hazrat Ali  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). remarked
"So do NOT undermine the leadership of Muawiya when he will not be around your people will witness heads flying of the shoulders as if it was Khandal"

Ibn taymiyah states that "The Behaviour of Muawiya with the people was the best behaviour of any Ruler His People Loved Him"

He also states that scholars have agreed that Muawiya is the best of this UMMAHs KINGS. For the Four before him were Kulafa and Muawiya was the first of King.
His rule was that of Mercy..

Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilaani said :  "If I had to sit by the road and the Dust of his horses Hooves would fall upon me...I would regard this as a means of salvation...

Mullah Ali Qari stated "Imam Hasan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu) and Imam Hussain always had good relations with Muawiya"

Muawiya once replied to a letter from the Roman Emperor about ALI  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).
"Ali is my Companion, should you even cast an EVIL Glance at him, I will uproot your kingdom like mere weeds." (Ibn Khatir)

Muawiya also replied O Christians, If ever Hazrat Ali's army has to march against you, then the first Soldier to join them and pluck your EYES would be Muawiya.(Ibn Khatir)


Reported in Sahi Bukhaari that the Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him) said that
"The First Army that would that will fight a NAVAL Battle in my Ummah will have made Jannat Compulsory on them"
Infact the first Naval forces was in commanded by Muawiya.

Imam Baqir had said that Whatever IMAM HASAN  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu) has done for the Ummah is superior to
Everything upon which the sun has risen and regarded his pledge of Allegiance to Muawiya r.d. as a unique Event"


After reading all this it comes as no surprise that Imam Hasan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu) made Allegiance with Hazrat Muarwiya



Now lets see Who Was Yazeed?
Yazeed bin Mu’awiyah was the unfortunate soul whose hands are stained in the blood of the family of RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam. He was an ugly, obese, ill-mannered, alcoholic and evil person. Many prohibited acts were made legal by him such as marrying to women who are ‘Mehram’ and the use of interest, etc.

Hazrat Abdullah bin Hazrat Hanzalah RadiyAllahu Anhuma reports:
‘We decided to fight with Yazeed when we feared that due to his evil practices, we would be bombarded with stones from the skies as a result of the Wrath of Allah Ta’ala. He had allowed unlawful marriages, like marrying ones sister, drinking alcohol was becoming the norm, and people were not punctual about Salaat anymore. [Tareekh ul Khulafa]

Hazrat Abu Hurairah RadiyAllahu Anhu, who was one of the secret bearers of RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam used to supplicate to Allah Ta’ala in the following manner in the year 59 Hijri:

‘O Allah! Save me from witnessing the year 60 Hijri and the barbaric rule of the youngsters of Quraish
(referring to Yazeed).’ [Tareekh ul Khulafa]

Why Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu Declined the Oath :
When Hazrat Ameer Mu’awiyah RadiyAllahu Anhu passed away in Rajab 60 Hijri, his unworthy son Yazeed took over as the leader. Soon after, he sent envoys around the country to invite people to pledge allegiance to him and consider him as their leader. He did the same with governor of Madinah, Waleed bin Uqbah, and asked him to take oath from his people. In particular, he instructed him to take oath from prominent personalities like Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu, Hazrat Abdur Rahman bin Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Abdullah bin Umar and Hazrat Abdullah bin Zubair RadiyAllahu Anhum Ajmaeen and not to give them any time to think over it.

As soon as he received this instruction, Waleed invited Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu to the governor’s house and demanded that he pledge allegiance to Yazeed. Imam Hussain was very straightforward in declaring that Yazeed, due to his evil practices and wicked nature, was not fit to be the leader of the Muslims and that he would not pledge allegiance to such a person.

Upon learning of the decision of Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu, Waleed calmly tried to convince him and warned him of the consequences that would follow. But when he realised that Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu was as firm as a mountain on his decision, he advised him to return home and think carefully over the matter and come again the next day.

My beloved Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam’s beloved devotees. Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu was well aware of the fact that by declining to pledge allegiance to Yazeed, he had made Yazeed his worst enemy, and that he (Yazeed) would now be after his life. But how can it be possible for the grandson of RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam to forsake the path of truth and guidance and agree with a tyrant, just to protect his own life?

It is clear that if Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu had pledged allegiance to Yazeed, he would have been very grateful to Imam Hussain and would have showered him with gifts and presents, or in fact made him the governor of a province. But the true Imam knew that if he did so, then the system of Islam would be shattered and chaos would prevail all over; Islamic principles would be ruined and the glorious flag of Islam would never fly high again as the allegiance of Imam Hussain would have become a stamp of approval for all that Yazeed did, and people would blindly follow him as he would be their leader.

This was the only reason why the grandson of RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam chose to face the trials inflicted by the enemy and even had his family sacrificed right in front of his eyes and shed his own blood in order to save the dwindling and sinking ship of the Ummah.



To Read What happened after Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu Declined the Oath...
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,20582.0.html (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,20582.0.html)


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: monu.mohsin on November 29, 2010, 04:18:34 PM
KUDOS TO YOU BROTHER.........BRAAAAVO.....Brilliant post....I never knew abt this info of Hazrath Muawiya (Radhiallahu taala anhu)....Alhamdulillah! You really came like a soldier defending the ill literature by the yazeedis........May Allah and our beloved SAW bless you....


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Raziya Warsi on November 29, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
Wat a wonderful answer given by brother Soldier. Yes these are the Real Facts

Its a SLAP in the face of such people who are spreading falsehood and making light the Qurbaanis given by Ahle BAYT.

I feel like Slapping the person who has written such a book



Aaj tak zameen pe hai Sar Patakta PAANI
Yaad e Shabbir me hai Beqal Barasta Paani


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: CHISHTI Prince on November 29, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: Talib-E-ILM
According to this Ahle Hadees writer Battle of Karbala was a mistake.
And Imam Hussain should have taken a more Mature decision of Peace and Friendship in such a situation.
(Meaning that he should have Done Bayt at the hands of YAZEED)

He is trying to change the Outlook of Karbala war as a war which happened only for Political Reasons and could have been avoided..




Astafirullah....I cannot imagine how far these people will fall...
They are just misguiding the Muslim Youth and taking them away from the LOVE & Respect of RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam and Ahle Bayt.


i m 101% Agreed with this comment........


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Nazneen on November 29, 2010, 04:54:45 PM
Jazak Allahu khair for sharing..bhai...

May Allah (Subhana wa taaala) always keep all of us on the Right path of success...Aameen.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Sana on November 29, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
very nice sharing
its good to disscuss about it
kyunki bahut se log jo sachai nahi jante yeh book  padkar un k bhatkne ka darr hai
yeh badaqida log hum logon ko bhatkana hi chate hai

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pray to Allah (Subhana wa taaala). that our Muslim Youth is saved from this Fitna.
And they get there Facts right before they even think to Comment on the Blessed Decision of our GREAT IMAM, IMAM Hussain  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).

To answer allegation of the Ahle Hadees we have to first understand the following..
1. Who was Hazrat Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). Father of YAZEED
2. What did Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam and Imam Ali  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). said about Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).
3. Why did Hazrat Hasan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). did an Agreement with Hazrat Ameer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).
4. What happened after the Death of Hazrat AMeer Muawiya  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).

I m agree with Gulam e Gosiya bhai Really you r the soldier of islam
infact You are the encyclopedia of islamic knowledge
thanks for explanation My Allah Increase your knowledge and gives u reward.

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Abdullah bin Amr says that Muawiya used to sit directly before the Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him) and write epistles and revelations.

Rasoollah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam ki shann dekhiye wo jante thay k in k bete hi mere nawason
ko shaheed karenge fir bhi un se uff tak nahi karte ,un k sath ache se rehte
 subhanallah subhanallah
Allah hum sabko Rasoollah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam k bataye gaye raste par chalne ki taufeeq de
Ameen


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Soldier of Islam on November 29, 2010, 05:11:32 PM
To Read What happened after Imam Hussain RadiyAllahu Anhu Declined the Oath...
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,20582.0.html (http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,20582.0.html)


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: syedfayaz on November 29, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
Ya-Allah In sub fithno se Ummathe Muhammadiya ko Bachale... Mere huzoor ka sadaqha....
Ameen...

I can't imagine, hw can these people is spreding the falsehood.... !!!!!!!!

ThanX 1 & all to bringing these kind of bad aqeeda scholars.... Sorry thy r not scholard.. thy r donkyies.....



Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: masood on November 29, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat Aqeeda is that Both the Blessed Prince of RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam were CORRECT.
Imam Hassan  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). and Imam Hussain both took CORRECT Decisions.

And the Father of Yazeed was a Beloved Sahab  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). and on Right Path

But HIs son like the Son of Noah was a Tyrant and Aggressor.

The person who says that Imam Hussain had taken a wrong decision or has slightest of Doubt that another option would have been a better option is Misguided and should not be listened to.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: benazir on November 29, 2010, 11:57:26 PM
jazakallaah soldier of islam bhai for such a detailed information. u solved my confusion. how do we know which sect s scholar had written the book. because this is really dangerous and people like me can get misguided. somewhere i even read articles which ,GODforgive, said that abu bakr(razi allaahu ta'aala anhu) and umar(razi allaahu ta'aala anhu) had usurped land of bibi fatima(razi allaahu ta'aala anha). but by the mercy of ALLAAH SUBHAAN WA TA'AALA it didnt had any effect on me. but these are really dangerous


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Muhammed Feroz on November 30, 2010, 02:41:30 AM
SubhanAllah  ... What a detail information

Jazakallah for ur excellent efforts brother.

Bhai yeh ahle hadees yazeed ke followers hai to usi ki tarafdari karenge.  Musalmano ko gumrah karna inke khoon mein hai.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Talib-E-ILM on November 30, 2010, 10:13:36 AM
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jazakallaah soldier of islam bhai for such a detailed information. u solved my confusion. how do we know which sect s scholar had written the book. because this is really dangerous and people like me can get misguided. somewhere i even read articles which ,GODforgive, said that abu bakr(razi allaahu ta'aala anhu) and umar(razi allaahu ta'aala anhu) had usurped land of bibi fatima(razi allaahu ta'aala anha). but by the mercy of ALLAAH SUBHAAN WA TA'AALA it didnt had any effect on me. but these are really dangerous


Sister this people are very dangerous We are doing what we can do the best... Its very important that whenever you read a book or a site make sure to which sect it belongs to who is the writer, bcoz there are many AHLE HADEES and SHIA Sites who will corrupt your mind and beliefs so please visit only AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAAT SItes and read only Books written by Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat scholars.

Now you will ask me how to i recognize whether they are Ahle Sunnat wal jamaat or not.. Now for that you will have to keep reading and asking other
generally Ahle sunnat wal jamaat scholars name suggests it

like Surname will be Qadri, Raza, Attari, Rehmani, Sultaani. they willl be from some Silsila and you will see a lot of Respect and Love for the Beloved Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam
In case of any confusion do not hesitate to ask our forum members.



Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: fairozkhan.alkasnazani on November 30, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
Be Ishq - e - Nabi  (sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam) Jo Bhi Parhta Hai Bukhari Aati Hai Bukhaar Usko Bukhari Nahi Aati.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Nazneen on November 30, 2010, 04:41:30 PM

generally Ahle sunnat wal jamaat scholars name suggests it

like Surname will be Qadri, Raza, Attari, Rehmani, Sultaani. they willl be from some Silsila and you will see a lot of Respect and Love for the Beloved Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam
In case of any confusion do not hesitate to ask our forum members.


Bhai wt Do U Say About...Maulaana Muhammad Shakir Ali Noori..

His surname is Noori ....so.........??


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Aadil Naqshbandi Owaisiah on November 30, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
Excellent reply Soldier. Thanks for increasing our Knowledge.


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: masood on November 30, 2010, 11:16:27 PM

generally Ahle sunnat wal jamaat scholars name suggests it

like Surname will be Qadri, Raza, Attari, Rehmani, Sultaani. they willl be from some Silsila and you will see a lot of Respect and Love for the Beloved Prophet  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam
In case of any confusion do not hesitate to ask our forum members.


Bhai wt Do U Say About...Maulaana Muhammad Shakir Ali Noori..

His surname is Noori ....so.........??

Noorie is also generally kept by Sunnis. Generally followers of Alaa Hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Nazneen on December 01, 2010, 04:42:01 AM

Noorie is also generally kept by Sunnis. Generally followers of Alaa Hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).


Jazak Allah bhai..........


Title: Re: ungli zameen pe rakh de samandar nikal pade.
Post by: Ajmal Siddiquie on December 02, 2010, 10:41:22 AM
Awaz de to khuld se kausar nikal pade

nahr-e-hurat hussain ke kheme main chal pade

Yeh imtehane sabr hain warna hussain hain

Ungli zameen pe rakh de samandar nikal pade.



Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Shifa Chishty on December 02, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
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O Najaso Murtado Jahool, Li jo na Name Jigar Ghosa e Rasool

Samja he kia Imame Iraqo Hijaz ko, guddi se kench lo ga zabane daraz ko

Tu kea hai, aur kea he terea wo amire Sham, are karte hain Badshah kahin bayte Gulam?

Tu bi namak haram he wo bi namak haram

O be adab, yazeed kuja aur kuja Imam

Mir Babar Ali Anis


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Nazneen on December 02, 2010, 04:57:44 PM
Awaz de to khuld se kausar nikal pade

nahr-e-hurat hussain ke kheme main chal pade

Yeh imtehane sabr hain warna hussain hain

Ungli zameen pe rakh de samandar nikal pade.



Subhan Allah...

Very true..beshak...

Jazak Allah bhai......


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Noorjahan on December 03, 2010, 03:14:52 PM
Disgusting...............muje tu bada taajub huwa pad kar ke loog(musalmaan) aisa bhi soch sakate hai Imam Husain  Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu ke baare me LA HAULA WALAKHU WATAA


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: s.syed on December 08, 2010, 11:18:53 AM
"Soldier of Islam"!What  A very Brilliant Sharing! And the explanation  in an extremely systematic way !very excellent!Well appreciated!


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Shah Darvesh on December 26, 2010, 01:40:31 PM
Uffff. . . In logo k zahen ko kya hogaya h. . ?
Ese ghustakhana bat karne ki himmat kese padti h aur phir kin ki shaan me. ?
Aqida pukhta hona chahye bus in bato se zaheni jahil he mutassar hote h. . .ye ahle hadees to wahabio se b gae guzre h. . .


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: aman4all on December 27, 2010, 06:55:20 PM
Allah  Subhana wa taaala. in Dawah aur Ahle-Hadees waalo se hum sabko bachae rakhe..Aameen


Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: mahmud on January 21, 2011, 11:14:39 AM
sources:www.cifiaonline.com  and www.correctislamicfaith.com (http://www.correctislamicfaith.com)


     Dr. Zakir Naik praises Yazid and claims that Karbala was a political episode (Astaghfirullah - We pray Allah - سبحانہ و تعا لی to  save Islam from hypocrites). 

    He says رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ with Yazid's name and mentions a Hadith in Bukhari in which Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said the first Muslim Army who will invade the city of Constantinople (presently Istanbul) will be rewarded with Jannah.  He claims Yazid was part of that army.

     
    Zakir Naik's claim  is false, a blatant lie and slander on Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
     
    Not even a single Hadith  mentioned in this context  in the entire Hadith literature has the word "Constantinople" in its text.  However, some Hadith scholars have mentioned the name "Constantinople" in their Hadith guides.
     
    Read the following facts and you will know the height of Dr. Zakir Naik lies.
     
    The wording of the Hadith are "awwalu jaishin min ummati yaghzoona madinata Qaisara maghfurullahum".  [Meaning -  "The first Muslim army who will invade the city of Qaiser-e-Room (Byzantine empire) will be Jannati."]  Thus, it could be any city of Byzantine empire.
     
    Read any Islamic History book written by any well known Islamic historian (including Salafi scholar Al-Dhahabi, Ibn Katheer  etc.) it is mentioned that the first Muslim invasion of Constantinople, Byzantine empire took place in 42 H in which Yazid was not there.
     
    The second invasion of Muslims on Byzantine empire was in 43 H under the command of Bu'sr bin Abi Arta, and the Army reached the city of Constantinople.  Yazid was not part of this Army.
     
    The third invasion of Muslims took place in 44 H under the command of Abd ar-Rahman bin Khaled bin Walid.  In this invasion, Busr bin Abi Arta also participated and attacked Constantinople from Sea.  Yazid was not part of this Army.
     
    The fifth invasion of Constantinople was in 46 H under the command of Malik bin  Abdullah. Yazid was not part of this Muslim Army.
     
    The sixth invasion of Byzantine empire was undertaken in 47 H under the command of Malik bin Hubaira. Yazid was not part of this Army.
     
    Three invasions took place on Byzantine empire in 49 H under the commands of (i) Malik bin Hubaira and  (ii) Fazala bin Ubair. Fazala bin Ubair captured many cities of Byzantine empire.  (iii) The third invasion of Byzantine empire took place in the same year under the command of Yazid bin Shajara Ar-Rahawi, who hailed from Syria.  It is wrongly, may be deliberately,  claimed by Wahhabis and their like minded Groups that the commander of this Army was Yazid bin Mu'awia, which is not true. Thus Yazid was not part of the three separate armies that invaded Byzantine empire, three times in 49 H.
     
    The  8th invasion of Byzantine empire took place in 50 H and in this invasion, some people claim that Yazid bin Mua'wia was part of this Army. Thus Yazid was part of the Army of 8th invasion of Byzantine Empire.
     
    But the Hadith says that the first Muslim Army who will invade Byzantine empire is Jannati. Then how come Yazid is claimed to be Jannati?
     
    The Salafis mention Hadith Guide book Fatahul Bari written by Ibn Hajar Asqalani in which it is mentioned that  'the invasion of Constantinople took place in 52 H and the commander of this Army was Yazid.  Even if we take this date as authentic, then this will be the ninth invasion of that city, and not the first one.  Because, as we have mentioned earlier with authentic sources that 8 invasions had already taken place  before this date.  Therefore, Yazid cannot be part of the people who are declared Jannati by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
     
    It is also mentioned in many Islamic History books that  at the time of 8th invasion of Byzantine empire, Janab Muawiah wanted Yazid to participate, but he refused. We  cannot go into these details here because our Article is becoming too long. 
     
    We do not understand why Zakir Naik wants to favor Yazid against Imam Husain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ).

    Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal was asked by his son that a group of people (qawm) attribute us to [be with] Yazid , he replied, O son! Whoever believes in Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی), how can they have any association with Yazid?  And why should he not be cursed (laanat) when Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) sends laanat on him in his Book.  The son asked where did Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) send laanat on him in His Book? The Imam replied “in this saying of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی)”:

    It is in Quran - 'Do you then have the sign that if you get the authority, spread disorder in the land and sever your ties of Kinship? These are they whom Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) has cursed and made them deaf from the truth and made their eyes blind'. (Sura Mohammad - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), Verses 22-23), and then said, is there any greater fasaad  than the assasination of Husain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ)?

    (Reference - The above is mentioned in multiple sources such as Ibn Hajar Makki in al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa page 333, Tafsir Mazhari v. 8. p. 434 Imam Barzanji in al-Isha’at, Qadi Abu Ya’la in Mu’tamad al-Usool, ibn al-Jawzi and so on).

     
    Ad-Dhahabi,  a Salafi scholar wrote about Yazid as follows:

    وكان ناصبيا فظا غليظا جلفا يتناول المسكر ويفعل المنكر افتتح دولته بمقتل الشهيد الحسين واختتمها بواقعة الحرة فمقته الناس ولم يبارك في عمره وخرج عليه غير واحد بعد الحسين كأهل المدينة قاموا لله

    [Meaning - He (Yazid) was a disgusting Nasibi (those who hate Ahle bait-e-Rasulullah - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ). He drank and did evil. He started his kingdom with the killing of the Shahid al-Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) and ended it with the incident of al-Harra (siege of Madina which also makes him directly liable for Lanah as Sahih Ahadith prove). Hence the people hated him, he was not blessed in his life and many took up arms against him after Imam Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) such as the people of Madina - they rose for the sake of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) ]  ( Siyar al Alam an Nabula, Volume No. 4, Page No. 37-38 )

    Ad-Dahabi also wrote - I say: 'When Yazid did to the people of Madina, what he did, and killed Imam Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) and his brothers and progeny, and Yazid drank alcohol, and performed abominable things, then the people hated him and rose up against him more than once.  Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) did not bless his life and Abu Bilal Mirdas bin Adya al-Hanzali rose against him.' (Taarikh al-Islam: wa-tabaqat al-mashahir wa-al-a`lam, Volume 005, Page No. 30)

    Ad-Dhahabi further wrote: Ziyad Haarthi narrated: 'Yazid gave me alcohol to drink, I had never drunk alcohol like that before and I enquired where he had obtained its ingredients from'. Yazid replied: 'it is made of sweet pomegranate, Isfahan's honey, Hawaz's sugar, Taif's grapes and Burdah's water'. Ahmed bin Masama' narrated: 'Once Yazid drank alcohol and started to dance, suddenly he fell down and his nostril began to bleed'. (Siyar al A'lam wa al Nubalah, Volume 004, Page No. 037).

    Jalaluddin Suyuti mentions in his book ‘The History of the Rightly Guided Caliphs’ (Taarekh ul Khulufaa al-Raashideen);   “Nawfal bin Abi al-Faraat said  ‘Once I was with Umar bin Abdul Aziz when a man said in his presence  ‘Yazid, the leader of the believers’. Umar bin Abdul Aziz said [in shock] ‘Did you call Yazid the Leader of the Believers'? Umar then ordered for the man to be lashed 20 times”.

    Suyuti further writes that in the year 63 H. Yazid was involved in sacking Madina in killing a generation of the Companions, and in desecrating and robbing Madinah.   Suyuti continues that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and his children are pious and virtuous souls.

    After creating carnage in Madina in the incident of Harrah, the army of Yazid proceeded to Makkah to confront Abdullah ibn al-Zubair, a self-declared Caliph in Hijaz.  In Makka, the Army of Yazid committed unthinkable war crimes. Even Ka'abatullah was heavily damaged in Yazid's military operation.  Read Islamic History for details.

    It is in Hadith - Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)  said, whoever terrifies the people of Madinah, upon him is the curse of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی), that of His angels and that of all the people of the world. (Sahih Muslim).

    There are innumerable Quranic verses and Ahadith which clearly state that Ahle Bait-e-Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) are pious and virtuous souls.

    It is in Hadith - Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) looked at  Hazrat Ali (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) Hazrata Fatima (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) and Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain  (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہم) and said "  "I am in war with those who will fight with you, and in peace with those who are peaceful to you." (Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, al-Hakim, Tabarani, Mishkat, etc.).
    Accusing Imam Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) is indeed character assassination of the distinguished grandson of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). Many Ulema will agree that character assassination of the deceased Imam (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) by Salafis / Deobandis and their like minded groups is a bigger crime than his physical assassination by Yazid and his cursed supporters.

    All Salafi groups should know that when they declare Yazid was on the right path and say  رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ with his name, then they will sure be standing along with Yazid in front of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) on the Day of Judgment and  their judgment will be done along with him.  They should also know who stands a good chance to enter heaven - Imam Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) or Yazid.

    It is in Hadith, Imam Hussain (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) is the leader of youth in Jannah and his pious mother Fatima al-Zahra (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) is the leader of women in Jannah.

    To  know more, you can watch the following Urdu Video Clips.

    (i) Watch this video clip - I    (ii) Watch this video clip - II     (iii) Watch this video clip - III    (iv) Watch  video clip - IV

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Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: Mustfa Shaikh on November 30, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
Assalamu Alaikum,

Mai es side pe naya hu aur mujhe ek sawal puchna hai.

Mai office mai kaam karta hu aur meri rozana zohar, Asar aur magrib ki namaj kaza hojati hai to Mai Fajar namaj aur Isha namaj ghar me padhta hu. Isha k namaj se pehle mai Zohar, Asar aur Magrib Ki KAZA Namaj padta hu aur badme isha ki namaj padta hu. to kya ye tarika sahi hai? Agar nahi to kya karna chaiye?



Title: Re: Did Imam Hussain take a wrong decision? Was Battle of Karbala a Mistake.?
Post by: saedfaruki on August 24, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
Asalam Alykum All,

I do agree that salafi/ahalhadith and alike do not give importance to the battle of karbala. I have met some guys from this group who share the view of zakir naik. I was utterly shocked when I heard them talk rubbish.

Imam Hussain (Radhiallaho anho) had never lied in his entire life, never skipped salah and moreover he gave 3 options to his opponents.
1. Allow me to go back from where I came from
2. Allow me to go on jihad to a distant place.
3. Allow me to talk with yazid

What I say is that whoever doubts Imam-e-Hussain (Radhiallaho anh) and blasphemes him (RA)  by supporting his (RA) adversaries is a munafiq. Their prayer is incorrect. They lie in their salah when they read darud-e-ibrahimyy, becos in salah in tashahud you say "Allahumma salle ala muhammad wa ala ahle muhammed" and on the other hand you talk rubbish about them. (Same rule applies to any one who talks ill about ahle bayt)

I did hear somewhere in a talk by someone on youtube that if you have the disease of shirk the cure is la ilaha illallah, if you have the disease of kufr the cure is muhammad-ur-rasoolallah (sallallaho alaihi wasallam) but what to do when a person has a disease of munafiqat.? The sahaba radhiallaho taala  anhum ajmaeen checked this disease in people by (Subhanak allah!!!) saying Sher-e-Khuda's name. So whenever they suspected a person of hypocrisy they just had to say Ali (Radhiallaho anho's) name and they checked his face to see if there is any change on it.

I say you are throwing shoe on George Bush and other politicians becos they are corrupt likewise why not treat zakir naik and alike the same way.

Earlier these munafiqs plotted and martyred Hazrath Umar, Hazrath Othman and Hazrath Ali (Radhiallaho anhuma) and grabbed the caliphate and now, that its the time for ahle bayt's  Imamate they want to lay their hands on this too. This will be proved when their leader of good old syria, sufyani will appear.

They are all like hamaan who used to mock Prophet Musa  Aleh Salam  by imitating him  Aleh Salam . That is all these heretics are doing they can just imitate Prophet Muhammad (saws) but actually they are mocking at the ta'aleem of Muhammad Rasoolullah (saws) and the sahaba (Radhiallaho anhum ajmaeen). Which in turn has led to the mocking and persecution of our entire muslim ummah and our leaders.

I also saw the talk of the heretic As shaykh of Saudia on youtube regarding this incident and i think he started all this ruckus.

Jazakallah