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Title: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Talib-E-ILM on September 28, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
Allah said in Quran:

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤُْونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ

Verily, your Walee (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم , and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down.

There is an hadith is there in virtue of Hazrat Ali  (Rahmatullahi Allaih) regarding Shan-e-Nazul of this verse:

عن عمار بن ياسر رضي الله عنه، يقول: وقف على علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه سائل وهو راكع في تطوع، فنزع خاتمه فأعطاه السائل، فأتى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم، فأعلمه ذالك، فنزلت على النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم هذه الآية: {إنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللهُ وَرَسُوْله وَالَّذِيْنَ آمَنُوا الَّذِيْنَ يُقِيْمُوْنَ الصَّلاةَ وَيُؤْتُوْنَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُوْنَ} فقرأها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم، ثم قال: من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه، اللهم! وال من والاه، وعاد من عاداه.


“It is narrated by ‘Ammār bin Yāsir (رضی اللہ عنہ) that a beggar came up to ‘Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and stood beside him. He رضی اللہ عنہ was kneeling in prayer. He رضی اللہ عنہ pulled out his ring and he gave the ring to the beggar. Then ‘Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) called on the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and told him the news. At this occasion, this verse was revealed to him: (Surely your (helping) friend is Allāh and His Messenger and (along with them) are the believers who establish prayers, pay zakāh and bow down (in humility before Allāh  Subhana Wa Taala ). Allāh’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) read out the verse and said: One who has me as his master has ‘Alī as his master. O Allāh! Be his friend who befriends him (‘Alī) and be his enemy who is his enemy.”

1. Tabarānī related it in al-Mu‘jam-ul-awsat (7:129, 130 # 6228), al-Mu‘jam-ul-kabīr (4:174 # 4053; 5:195, 203, 204 # 5068, 5069, 5092, 5097), and in al-Mu‘jam-us-saghīr (1:65).
2. Ahmad bin Hambal narrated it in al-Musnad (1:119; 4:372);
3. Hākim, al-Mustadrak (3:119, 371 # 4576, 5594);
4. Diyā’ Maqdisī, al-Ahādīth-ul-mukhtārah (2:106, 174 # 480, 553);
5. Haythamī, Majma‘-uz-zawā’id (7:17), Mawārid-uz-zam’ān (p.544 # 2205);
6. Ibn Athīr, Asad-ul-ghābah fī ma‘rifat-is-sahābah (2:362; 3:487);
7. Hindī, Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (11:332, 333 # 31662; 13:104, 169 # 36340, 36511);
8. Khatīb Baghdādī in Tārīkh Baghdad (7:377).
9. Hindī has written in Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (11:609 # 32950):

• Tabarānī related this tradition from Abū Hurayrah (رضی اللہ عنہ) and twelve Companions (RA),
• Imām Ahmad bin Hambal has related it from Abū Ayyūb al-Ansārī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and a larger number of Companions (RA).
• Hākim has narrated it from ‘Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and Talhah (رضی اللہ عنہ) in al-Mustadrak. Imām Ahmad bin Hambal and Tabarānī have related this tradition from ‘Alī, Zayd bin Arqam and thirty Companions (RA).
• Abū Nu‘aym has copied it from Sa‘d in Fadāil-us-sahābah and Khatīb Baghdādī has copied it from Anas (رضی اللہ عنہ) .
• Khatīb Baghdādī has copied it in Tārīkh Baghdad (12:343) from ‘Abdullāh bin ‘Abbās (رضی اللہ عنہ) along with the words:
من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه.
One who has me as his master has ‘Alī as his master.

Now question that arises here is that how these Believers the friends of Allah (Auliya-Allah) help from grave ? how can they listen from far distance ? how can they see so long ?...etc.

Before answering these Questions I would like to quote a hadith (actually it is Hadith-e-Qudsi) from Sahih Bukhari Shreef.

Bukhari sharif Volume 8, Book 76, Number 509:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him)  said, "Allah said, 'I will declare war against him who shows hostility to a pious worshipper of Mine. And the most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, is what I have enjoined upon him; and My slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks; and if he asks Me, I will give him, and if he asks My protection (Refuge), I will protect him; (i.e. give him My Refuge) and I do not hesitate to do anything as I hesitate to take the soul of the believer, for he hates death, and I hate to disappoint him."

حضرت ابوہریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : اللہ تعالیٰ فرماتا ہے : جو میرے کسی ولی سے دشمنی رکھے میں اُس سے اعلانِ جنگ کرتا ہوں اور میرا بندہ ایسی کسی چیز کے ذریعے میرا قرب نہیں پاتا جو مجھے فرائض سے زیادہ محبوب ہو اور میرا بندہ نفلی عبادات کے ذریعے برابر میرا قرب حاصل کرتا رہتا ہے یہاں تک کہ میں اس سے محبت کرنے لگتا ہوں اور جب میں اس سے محبت کرتا ہوں تو میں اس کا کان بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ سنتا ہے اور اس کی آنکھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ دیکھتا ہے اور اس کا ہاتھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ پکڑتا ہے اور اس کا پاؤں بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ چلتا ہے۔ اگر وہ مجھ سے سوال کرتا ہے تو میں اسے ضرور عطا کرتا ہوں اور اگر وہ میری پناہ مانگتا ہے تو میں ضرور اسے پناہ دیتا ہوں۔ میں نے جو کام کرنا ہوتا ہے اس میں کبھی اس طرح متردد نہیں ہوتا جیسے بندۂ مومن کی جان لینے میں ہوتا ہوں۔ اسے موت پسند نہیں اور مجھے اس کی تکلیف پسند نہیں۔
First of all note the starting words, Allah Said : I will declare war against him who shows hostility to a pious worshipper of Mine. So it’s just a warning to those who deny the virtues the powers and the status of friends of Allah, and disrespect them and consider them as ordinary person and compare them with idols. So those who keep these views regarding friends of Allah, Allah declare war against them.

Now, one can imagine that to whom Allah declared war, he/she whether apparently looks like muslim and show knowledge of religion, actually tht person is Munafiq, and Allah has declared war against him/her.

Always remember, we are not discussing friends of normal person or our friends, it’s the matter of friends of Allah, to whom Allah say that they are my Friends, so now they are not like or equal to status and position of ordinary person. Obviously because he is friend of Allah. So there is also warning in Quran as well :

حضرت عمر بن خطاب رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : بے شک اﷲ تعالیٰ کے کچھ ایسے برگزیدہ بندے ہیں جو نہ انبیاء کرام ہیں نہ شہداء، قیامت کے دن انبیاء کرام علیھم السلام اور شہداء انہیں اﷲ تعالیٰ کی طرف سے عطا کردہ مقام دیکھ کر اُن پر رشک کریں گے۔ صحابہ کرام رضی اللہ عنھم نے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! آپ ہمیں ان کے بارے میں بتائیں کہ وہ کون ہیں؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : وہ ایسے لوگ ہیں جن کی ایک دوسرے سے محبت صرف اﷲ تعالیٰ کی خاطر ہوتی ہے نہ کہ رشتہ داری اور مالی لین دین کی وجہ سے۔ اﷲتعالیٰ کی قسم! ان کے چہرے نور ہوں گے اور وہ نور (کے منبروں) پر ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی خوف نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ خوفزدہ ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی غم نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ غم زدہ ہوں گے پھر آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے یہ آیت تلاوت فرمائی : ’’خبردار! بیشک اولیاء اللہ پر نہ کوئی خوف ہے اور نہ وہ رنجیدہ و غمگین ہوں گے۔

References: (From Siha-Sitta and other Books)
أبو داود في السنن، کتاب : البيوع، باب : في الرهن، 3 : 288، الرقم : 3527،
والنسائي في السنن الکبري، سورة يونس، 6 / 362، الرقم : 11236،
والبيهقي في شعب الايمان، 6 / 486، الرقم : 8998

أَلاَ إِنَّ أَوْلِيَاءَ اللّهِ لاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
بیشک اولیاء اللہ پر نہ کوئی خوف ہے اورنہ وہ رنجیدہ و غمگین ہوں گے

Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve;

So u can see before talking about friends (Auliya), Allah use word أَلاَ Khaberdar, Behold, Danger. Question comes why is that so ? Allah never use this word while discussing other issues in Quran, why now this word is use when matter of Auliya Allah is going to be discussed ?

Remember! Danger word always use where there is really a danger, you go to power station and see sign of danger at different places, why they put it there ? just because, slight miss handling or mistake can take your life! So where there is danger to life, people put up danger sign board, similarly here when discussing Auliya Allah the friends of Allah all-mighty, slight miss behavior, disrespect and hatred (bay-adabi, ghustakhi) can take your Emaan!! That is why Allah warned everyone, that before discussing them ‘behold’ ‘be aware’….you are going to talk about Allah’s friends …these are not ordinary people!
In a Hadith of Siha Sitta Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم said :

حضرت اسماء بنت یزید رضی اﷲ عنھا سے روایت ہے کہ میں نے حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کو فرماتے ہوئے سنا : کیا میں تمہیں تم میں سے سب سے بہتر لوگوں کے بارے میں خبر نہ دوں؟ صحابہ کرام رضی اللہ عنھم نے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! کیوں نہیں۔ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : تم میں سے بہتر لوگ وہ ہیں کہ جب انہیں دیکھا جائے تو اﷲتعالیٰ یاد آ جائے۔

ابن ماجه في السنن، کتاب : الزهد، باب : من لا يؤبه له، 2 / 1379، الرقم : 4119،
وأحمد بن حنبل في المسند، 6 / 459، الرقم : 27640،
والبخاري في الأدب المفرد، 1 / 119، الرقم : 323،
والطبراني في المعجم الکبير، 24 / 167، الرقم : 423
Coming back to Hadiht-e-Qudsi. After declaring war against those who donot believe in Auliya-Allah, Allah said :

1. I become his sense of hearing with which he hears
2. his sense of sight with which he sees
3. his hand with which he grips
4. his leg with which he walks

Always remember Allah is pak from hand, legs eyes etc, now what these word here mean ? for this I will explain it with two very simple examples if u concentrate and read it, you will easily be able to understand these words. Before moving on to explanation of Hadith-e-Qudsi, let us see Powers of a Wali (Asif Bin Berkhia) of Hazrat Sulaiman  Alaihis Salaam  Ummah, who was blessed with little knowledge of Book.

[Surah Naml:38--40]
When Hazrat Sulaiman  Alaihis Salaam  asked who can bring the Takht (throne) of Queen of Saba, then Asif Bin Berkhia a Wali who was blessed with little knowledge of Book, bring that takht within the twinkling of an eye! and the distance from court of Hazrat Sulaiman  Alaihis Salaam  and capital of saba (where that throne was) is not less than 1500 miles, and the throne was not lying in a jungle from where it had just to be fetched. It lay in a queen's palace, which must have been well-guarded, and in the absence of the queen it must have been kept in a secure place.

As in verse :
(پھر) ایک ایسے شخص نے عرض کیا جس کے پاس (آسمانی) کتاب کا کچھ علم تھا کہ میں اسے آپ کے پاس لا سکتا ہوں قبل اس کے کہ آپ کی نگاہ آپ کی طرف پلٹے (یعنی پلک جھپکنے سے بھی پہلے)، پھر جب (سلیمان علیہ السلام نے) اس (تخت) کو اپنے پاس رکھا ہوا دیکھا (تو) کہا: یہ میرے رب کا فضل ہے تاکہ وہ مجھے آزمائے کہ آیا میں شکر گزاری کرتا ہوں یا نا شکری، اور جس نے (اللہ کا) شکر ادا کیا سو وہ محض اپنی ہی ذات کے فائدہ کے لئے شکر مندی کرتا ہے اور جس نے ناشکری کی تو بیشک میرا رب بے نیاز، کرم فرمانے والا ہے،
One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: "I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!" then when (Sulaiman (Solomon)) saw it placed before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful!

So just see, jisay kuch Ilm dia gaya us ki powers or Ikhtayarat or authorities ka ye alam hai kay he bought that throne from thousand miles within twinkling of an eye!!

And Hazrat Sulaiman  Alaihis Salaam  said on this karamat that this is Allah's Fazal. Now just Imagine jis per Book ka sara ilm nazil huwa, jisay Allah nay Fazal-e-Azeem (sab say bara fazal) say nawaza us ki powers or authorities or us kay knowledge ka koi insaan andaza nahi laga sakta.

Jis per Kuch fazal huwa, jis per fermaya :This is by the Grace of my Lord us nay itni azeem-o-shan takat ka muzahira kia, tou jis per Fazal-e-Azeem hai,
Allah said 4:113:
وَكَانَ فَضْلُ اللّهِ عَلَيْكَ عَظِيما
And Ever Great is the Grace of Allah unto you (O Muhammad صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم). .. now can anyone in this universe even imagine the Powers and highness of Knowledge of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ?

Now we’ll see how these Auliya, the friends of Allah help from grave and how the get the power ?
Explanation of Hadith Bukhari sharif Volume 8, Book 76, Number 509
Example No.1:

Take a piece of Iron, and put it into fire. Now you know it very well that iron (loha) has no power to burn things. Iron in normal state cannot burn others. But when placed in fire and when it got red, now it has the power the ability to burn things. It is still same piece of Iron, but why it is now able to burn other things ? just because this piece of iron has put itself to fire, fire has given it his power of burning to Iron, now iron can also burn others. In urdu we say “iron nay apnay aap ko aag may fana kerdia, tou aag nay apni qualities iron mai daal deen jis say ab iron bhee dosri cheez ko jalanay kay kabil bangia.”

So kia iron fire ban gia ? or fire iron ban gaee ?
Nahi, iron, iron hai…aag aag hai, sirif huwa kia, aag nay apni quality apni property to burn iron ko bhee daydee, yani fire ki quality (to burn things) is appearing from a piece of iron.

So similarly Auliya Allah the friends of Allah doing worship and performing lots of Nawafil, they kill there nafs, wo apnay aap ko Allah ki zaat may fana kerdaytay hain. Phir un say Allah ki sifaat ka zahor(izhar) hota hai.

They do not become Allah! Just like iron does not became fire. Sirif hota ye hai kay Allah ki qualities ka zahor in Auliya say hota hai. That is why from hadith, Eye is of that wali that pious man, but power of watching is of Allah, ear is of that pious man, but power of hearing is of Allah, hand is still of that pious worshipper, but power in those hand is power of Allah, they do not become Allah (Naozobillah) but they become Mazhar (means zahir honay ki jaga) of Qualities of All-Mighty Allah.

Yani un ki bashri sifaat magloob hojateen hain or Allah ki sifaat ghalib aajateen hain.
When I pious worshipper the friend of Allah reached at this state, this stage is called Muqam-e-Faqr, or fana-fillah.
And Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم said about it:
الفقر فخری والفقر منی
Translation: "Faqr is my pride and Faqr is my heritage".

That is why Allah called Prophet’s صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم hand His Hand :
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَى بِمَا عَاهَدَ عَلَيْهُ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا.

(اے حبیب!) بیشک جو لوگ آپ سے بیعت کرتے ہیں وہ اﷲ ہی سے بیعت کرتے ہیں، ان کے ہاتھوں پر (آپ کے ہاتھ کی صورت میں) اﷲ کا ہاتھ ہے۔ پھر جس شخص نے بیعت کو توڑا تو اس کے توڑنے کا وبال اس کی اپنی جان پر ہوگا اور جس نے (اس) بات کو پورا کیا جس (کے پورا کرنے) پر اس نے اﷲ سے عہد کیا تھا تو وہ عنقریب اسے بہت بڑا اجر عطا فرمائے گاo

Those who swear allegiance to you, swear allegiance to Allah. The hand of Allah is over their hands; so who-so ever breaks his oath, he breaks it to his own loss, and whosoever fulfils the covenant which he had made with Allah, then Allah shall soon give him a great Reward.

So we also got evidence from Quran.

Now I’ll explain this hadith-e-Qudsi with another more simpler example:

Some people got influenced with Jinnat, logon per jin cherh jata hai, and this is a reality, which is proved from Quran. So when somebody got affected or controlled by a jin, then hands are still of that person, tongue is still same, but when he speak people who are watching say Jin is speaking.

So is that man become a Jin ? or a Jin become a man ? No! neither man become Jin nor Jin is converted in to human, Man is still man, Jin is still Jin, na Jin insaan bana na insaan jin bana but what happens ? huwa ye kay Jin nay insaan ki properties or qualities ko block kerdia, and apni properties or qualities ko enforce kerdia, ab insaan ka dekhna Jin ka dekhna hai, Insaan ka bolna jin ka bolna hai. Insan insan he hai, mager Jin ki qualities or properties ka zahor insaan say ho raha hai.
So a Jin which is just a creation of Allah, jin has so power to takeover human then who can imagine the power of Allah ?... JIN jo ALLAH ki ek creature hai us kay aser or ghalib ajanay ka ye haal hain tou khalik jo ALLAH hai us kay aser or ghalbay ka kia haal hoga ? kay ALLAH tallah un kay bashiri osaaf qualities ko malghoob ker kay apni qualities ghalib kerdayta hai.

That is why we say tht seeing of that person is from vision of Allah, hearing of that person is from hearing power of Allah and helping through their hands is helping of Allah. They do not become Allah but from them Qualities and Allah’s powers becomes appearing.

Now answer to the questions and objections that how these Believers the friends of Allah (Auliya-Allah) help from grave ? how can they listen from far distance ? how can they see so long ?... are crystal clear.

--Their vision is Allah’s vision, so is there anything hidden from Allah’s vision ?
--Their hearing is Allah’s Hearing, so that is why they can hear anyone who call them for help.
--Their helping and power is Allah’s help and power.

So that is why we say and believe that these friends of Allah can help according to verse Maida:55. And our believe is all from Quran and Authentic Hadiths it is not fake and self made, those who think like it they might have miss understandings and confusions, because they use their own mind and sense infront of Quran and Hadith, they never try to see what Quran and Hadith are telling us.

Or they miss interpret some hadiths and verses, and make false believe which results in contradiction in Quran and Sunnah.

Objection : Some people will raise this objection so I am answering it in advance. They say that they have these powers when they were here in this world, now they have passed away so they can’t listen help.

This objection is extremely illogical, baseless and senseless and shows the low standard of knowledge of those who raise such objections.
Now to answer this, first those who raise this objection prove that Allah take back their powers (which Allah has bestowed on His friends in their apparent life) when Auliya Passes from this world!
Secondly it is already proved from Quran and Ahadiths from Bukhari that after passing this world powers of listening seeing hearing increases rather getting decrease. Even a Kafir can listen more after his dead. and this is clear from hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim.

Allah and His Prophet  (sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam) knows the Best.

Fi amanillah


Bedam yahi tou paanch hain maqsood-e-qaaynaat..
Khairunnisa ( Alaihis Salaam ), Hasan ( Alaihis Salaam ), Hussain( Alaihis Salaam ), Mustafa صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم , Ali( Alaihis Salaam )


اے میرے بندے!) تو اپنے آپ کو ان لوگوں کی سنگت میں جمائے رکھا کر جو صبح و شام اپنے رب کو یاد کرتے ہیں اس کی رضا کے طلب گار رہتے ہیں (اس کی دید کے متمنی اور اس کا مکھڑا تکنے کے آرزو مند ہیں) تیری (محبت اور توجہ کی) نگاہیں ان سے نہ ہٹیں، کیا تو (ان فقیروں سے دھیان ہٹا کر) دنیوی زندگی کی آرائش چاہتا ہے، اور تو اس شخص کی اطاعت (بھی) نہ کر جس کے دل کو ہم نے اپنے ذکر سے غافل کردیا ہے اور وہ اپنی ہوائے نفس کی پیروی کرتا ہے اور اس کا حال حد سے گزر گیا ہے


(O My servant!) Stay tenaciously in the companionship of those who remember their Lord morning and evening, ardently seeking His pleasure, (keen on the glimpse of His sight and eagerly aspiring to glance at His radiant Countenance). Your (affectionate and caring) looks must not but focus them. Do you seek the charisma of the worldly life (shifting your attention away from these self-denying devotees)? And (also) do not follow him whose heart We have made neglectful of Our remembrance and who follows but the urge of his (ill-commanding self) and his case has exceeded all bounds.

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ? ( Also see such related topics below )
Post by: Abu Saleem on September 28, 2009, 05:18:22 PM
Kindly Also refer the below related topics ( Also see such Related topic in from the below links ) :-

The Holy Prophet (Salallaho Alaihi Wasallam) is Alive

Proof of Visiting Graves and Shrines of Ambia (Alaihimus Salam) and Aulia ALLAH

Kissing of Mazars ( Qabr-e-Mubaraks of Awliyas –Saudi Arabian Islamic Scholar )

Question: Can we kiss the Mazaar (graves)?

Raising Hands for Duas near Mazar Shareefs & Graves is the sunnah

women visiting graves

Placing of Ghilafs on the Mazar-e-Shareefs of Awliya Allah Rizwan allahi thaalah

The practice of Khattam & Essale Sawab

How did Wahabis destroy tombs of ahle bait & sahaba

Can we ask for help other then ALLAH?(part 1)

Can we ask for help other then ALLAH? (part 2)

Seeking assistance from other than Allah subhan wa ta'ala

To Call Auliyah ALLAH for help or To Ask help from Awliya Allah

Shirk and the veneration of Graves

How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?

The Permissibility of Seeking Help from the Pious

Subhaanallah very good proofs from quran and hadith shareefs. mashallah.

Anbiya and Auliyas are alive in their graves and will be taken alive on qayamat day, till then all malaikas and faristas convey salaams and bring rahmat of allah to their graves.

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Abu Saleem on September 28, 2009, 07:19:30 PM
Anbiya and Auliyas are alive in their graves and will be taken alive on qayamat day, till then all malaikas and faristas convey salaams and bring rahmat of allah to their graves.

Whenever you go to the sacred graves of Anbiyas and Auliyas just do dua and see. Your duas will be accepted by allah ? why

Duas near Sacred Graves of Anbiyas and Auliyas get acceptance from allah because Rahmath of allah is with auliyas and  there is nuzool of Anwar-e-Elahia , there is nuzool of barkaats always on the graves of anbiyas and auliyas because they will be alive inside the graves worshipping allah in graves. Also they have powers to Sehr ( journeys ) . Whenever duas near sacred graves are done , these duas get success .

We cannot see them but they can see us and whenever we ask for dua or make dua to allah near their graves, allah never rejects such duas which are done near sacred graves of anbiyas and auliyas.

Whenever a Wali ( Auliya ) does dua in the darbar of allah, his duas are accepted by allah subhaanahu thaalah ( Sahih Bukhari Baab-ul-Saleheen )

Also Click the links to  refer topics given below :

Proof of Visiting Graves and Shrines of Ambia (Alaihimus Salam) and Aulia ALLAH

The Holy Prophet (Salallaho Alaihi Wasallam) is Alive

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: mazhar rehmani on September 28, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
mashaAllah what a post imran bhai, really grt.

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Altaf Sultani on September 29, 2009, 11:40:25 AM
just to add to one statement in the said post  "Even a Kafir can listen more after his dead"

As Talha radhi'allalhu ahn narrated:
"On the day of the battle of Badr, RasulAllah (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered that the twenty four corpses from the Quraish tribe should be picked up altogether. They were then thrown into a pit among the ditches of Badr; so, had more dirt added to it."

When a victory was gained, RasulAllah used to take up temporary quarters in the open fields gained from the enemy tribes each time for three days. As it was the third day of the battle of Badr, he ordered his camel to be brought. Food for the road was put upon the load.

As RasulAllah rode on, the companions followed him. Meanwhile they talked among themselves that RasulAllah was probably going for a purpose.
At last, RasulAllah stopped by a ditch where the killed had been thrown, and then called them by the name of their fathers:

"O, Aba Jahil Ibn-i Hisham! O, Utbe Ibn-i Rabia, O, So-and-so!! . . . Would not you be joyful now if you believed and obeyed "ALLAH" and HU's Rasul? The Killed! We have indeed found the victory that our Lord promised us. Have you, too, found the victory that your Lord promised you, indeed?"

On hearing him speak, Hazrat Omar radiallahu. asked:
"O RasulAllah! How do you address people already cadaverous?"

RasulAllah replied:
"I swear by Whom in Whose hands Mohammed's soul is that you are no better than they at hearing what I say!"

In this event recounted in Bukhari , RasulAllah corrects a great misunderstanding by an occasion.
No hadith can be better to correct such a false belief that "men are laid into their graves being as dead and they are raised to life later again on the Day of Resurrection (qiyamat)."

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: khaleelrazack99 on November 01, 2009, 06:02:39 PM
Mashallah great posting. jazakallah for sharing.

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: mazhar rehmani on December 08, 2009, 01:42:10 PM
Bhai apse kisne kaha ki jab hamre Auliya Allah zinda hotey hai to un main koi takat nahi hoti aur wo kisi ki madad nahi kar saktey, Allah har apne wali ko uski riyazat aur mujhadiat, aur uske ishq ki hisab se usko nawwaza ta hai, aur is main koi shaq nahi hai ki jab ye Allah wale parda karte hai to inke martabe ko aur buland kar diya jata hai.

AIsa kyun kiya jata hai iska jawab bhi bht asan hai jab koi bachaa khub mehnat se imteehan ki tayare karta hai, din raat padhiaye main laga rehata hai, ne us waqt usko bhook ka ahsas hota hai na pyaas ka na usko apne dosti ki padi rehti hai na kisi aur cheez ki uska ek hi maqsad hota hai apne imtehan main pass hona, aur jab wo bacha khub mehnat karke pass hota hai to us bache ke maa baap bht khush hote hai aur us bache ko bht sare inmat se nawazte hai, Isi tarah Allah ne is duniya main hamain bheja hi imtehan ke liye jo log ye samjh jate hai wo Allah ki riyazat main aur uske ishq main zindagi guzar dete hai har kadam uske raza ke liye utha te hai. Jo jitna zyada mehnat karta hai Allah use utna zada razi hota hai aur jab in Auliya Allah ka parda hota hai is duniya fani se aur ye apne imtehan main pass hojate hai, tab Allah jo har cheez ka mukhtar hai apne in neek bando ko khub nawazta hai, aur bht bulandi ata farmata hai aur unke martabon ko buland wa ala kar deta hai us imtehan ke ewaz main jo ye duniya main sabit kadam reh kar aye hai.

agar ap is topic par aur roshni chate hai to is link main bht se topic milenge:

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Altaf Sultani on December 08, 2009, 01:52:33 PM
also see this

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on January 14, 2010, 06:02:45 PM

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Allah - beginning with the name of - the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

الصلوة والسلام عليك يارسول الله وعلى آلك واصحابك يا نورالله
And millions of durood on Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

Bafaiz Huzoor Mufti e Azam Hazrat Allama Shah MOHAMMED MUSTAFA RAZA Radiallahu Ta'ala Anhu.

Quranic Proofs on Tawassul/intercession

NO INTERCESSION FOR KAFIRS ONLY(such verses are for non muslims only)

"And guard yourselves against a day when no soul will avail another, nor intercession be accepted from it"(2:48)

-"O believers, spend of that wherewith We have provided you before a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers.( 2:254)

"They worship beside Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah."(10:19)

- "The mediation of no mediators will avail them then. (74:48)

In absolute terms intercession belongs to Allah alone:

- Quran 39:43-44: "Or choose they intercessors other than Allah? Say: What! Even though they have power over nothing and have no intelligence? Say: the intercession belongs to Allah."

Intercession for Muslims is allowed

"Who should intercede with him, except by his permission?"
quran 2:255

"There is no intercessor save after His permission." quran 10:4

"They will have no power of intercession, save him who has made a covenant with his Lord."(quran 19:87)

"And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, except him who beareth witness unto the truth knowingly.(43:86 )

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on January 14, 2010, 06:04:43 PM


"And they say: the Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son... Nay, but honored slaves [angels]... and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him."
Quran 21:26-28

"Those who bear the Throne, and all who are round about it... ask forgiveness for those who believe."
Quran 40:7

-The angels hymn the praise of their Lord and ask forgiveness for those on the earth."
Quran 42:5

Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran that Jibraeel (alaihis salaam) and the pious Muslims are also helpers:
إِن تَتُوبَآ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ فَقَدۡ صَغَتۡ قُلُوبُكُمَا‌ۖ وَإِن تَظَـٰهَرَا عَلَيۡهِ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ هُوَ مَوۡلَٮٰهُ وَجِبۡرِيلُ وَصَـٰلِحُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ‌ۖ وَٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَةُ بَعۡدَ ذَٲلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ (٤)

"Then, undoubtedly Allah is his helper, and Jibraeel and the righteous Believers and after that the Angels are his helpers."
(Quran 66:4)

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on January 14, 2010, 06:05:41 PM

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ۥ وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَيُؤۡتُونَ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَهُمۡ رَٲكِعُونَ (٥٥)

Your helper(wali) can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).

(Quran 5:55)

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: fouzia on January 09, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Assalam O Alaikum WRWB.SubhanAllah! Mashallah bro U have dealt with this topic brialliantly..Donno how I missed n read after a complete one year.Anyways reading is important,doesnt matter when.Thanx 4 sharing...hope most of our brothers n sisters doubts r CLEARED!

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on June 20, 2011, 07:52:32 PM
U all must be knowing about Ibn TAymiyyah. the leader of Wahabis, who tried to prove Allah has hands and feet , Naudubillahi min zaalik

Ibn al Qayyim states:

Many people saw Ibn Taymiyyah after his death in their dreams and asked him many difficult questions on issues of Fiqh Masaa'il and he replied to all their questions. Only those people can reject this who are ignorant of the status of the spirits (Arwah)

[Kitab-ar-Ruh, end of chapter 3., Ibn al-Qayyim]

If Ibn Taymiyya can answer questions after passing away, and solve complex fiqh issues, then why is it not possible for our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (Sallal lahu alaihi wasallam) , to assist his Ummah ???

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on June 20, 2011, 07:57:40 PM
Now lets examine the Deobandi point of view from their own darul ifta

   Question: 10291    India
Dear Mufti Saheb, Assalamu alaikum, I would like to know if Waseela through Auliyas [dead or alive] and through Prophets like Muhammad Sallalahu alaihi was sallam is permissible. If YES then what is the procedure to do Waseela. Jazakallah khir!
  Answer: 10291   Jan 27,2009
(Fatwa: 103/103=M/1429)
It is lawful to supplicate Allah with the waseelah (intermediation) of the prophets and awliya, e.g.: O Allah! Fulfil my so and so need by the waseelah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)!

وفی الترمذی: عن عثمان حنیف أن رَجُلًا ضَرِيرَ الْبَصَرِ أتى النبي صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم فقال ادْعُ اللَّهَ أَنْ يُعَافِيَنِي قال إن شِئْتَ دَعَوْتُ وَإِنْ شِئْتَ صَبَرْتَ فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لك قال فَادْعُهْ قال فَأَمَرَهُ أَنْ يَتَوَضَّأَ فَيُحْسِنَ وُضُوءَهُ وَيَدْعُوَ بهذا الدُّعَاءِ اللهم إني أَسْأَلُكَ وَأَتَوَجَّهُ إِلَيْكَ بِنَبِيِّكَ مُحَمَّدٍ نَبِيِّ الرَّحْمَةِ إني تَوَجَّهْتُ بِكَ إلى رَبِّي في حَاجَتِي هذه لِتُقْضَى لِيَ اللهم فَشَفِّعْهُ فِيَّ
Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband (

Title: Re: How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ? 5
Post by: Rizwan Maniar on June 20, 2011, 08:06:44 PM
A Sahabi (radhitallah anho) and 2nd Caliph Hadrat Umar (radhitallah anho) benefiting from intercession of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم),

أخبرنا أبو نصر بن قتادة، وأبو بكر الفارسي قالا: حدثنا أبو عمر بن مطر، حدثنا إبراهيم بن علي الذهلي، حدثنا يحيى بن يحيى، حدثنا أبو معاوية، عن الأعمش، عن أبي صالح، عن مالك قال: أصاب الناس قحط في زمن عمر بن الخطاب، فجاء رجل إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم. فقال: يا رسول الله استسق الله لأمتك فإنهم قد هلكوا. فأتاه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في المنام فقال: إيت عمر، فأقرئه مني السلام، وأخبرهم أنه مسقون، وقل له عليك بالكيس الكيس. فأتى الرجل فأخبر عمر، فقال: يا رب ما آلوا إلا ما عجزت عنه.

During the reign of Hazrat Umar (رضى الله عنه) a draught badly threatened the ummah. A person went to Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)’s grave and sought for help. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) came into his dream, gave him "basharat" (glad tiding) of rain, and also asked him to warn Hazrat Umar (رضى الله عنه) about the coming threats. Hazrat Umar (رضى الله عنه), when listened his dream wept and assured that he would remain careful as much as possible.


Ibn-e-Abi Sahiba in Al-Musanaf (Vol.6,Page356,Hadith No:32002)

Ibn-e-Abdul Bar in Al-Isteaab (Vol.3, Page1149)

Al-Bahaqi in Dalail-un-Nabu’wa (Vol.8,Page 47)

As-Subaqi in Shifa-as-Saqam (Vol.1,Page 130)

Ibn-e-Taymiya in Fi-Iqtida-as-Sirat-il-Mustaqim (Vol.1,Page 373)

Al-Hindi in Kanz-ul-Ammal (Vol.8,Page 431)

Ibn-e-Kathir (by declaring its isnad as Sahih) in Al-Badaya-wan-Nahaya(Vol.5,Page 168)

Imam Al-Asqalani (by declaring its isnad as Sahih) in Al-Asabah(Vol.3, Page 484)