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« on: October 27, 2010, 10:21:27 AM »

Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,

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Assalamualikum Brother,
I have a query for you.. i was told by someone(Elderly) that wearing black beads for women after marriage is not a Hindu custom and Bibi Fathima Raziallah taala anhu used to wear it..but it was not mixed with any other metal such as gold, as the hindu's wear as mangal sutar....... Please elaborate..! Jazakallah Khair
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 01:16:35 PM »

No where in my life have i heard that its Advisable to Wear Manglasutra for Muslim women..
Nor have i come across any hadith which proves this..but to answer the question.. Also i will clarify a few other things...


Why do the Muslim married women not put bindi or tika on the forehead and wear Mangalsutra, like Hindu married women?Why do the Muslim married women not put bindi or tika on the forehead and wear Mangalsutra, like Hindu married women?


1.  Bindi or tika :  Bindi is derived from the sanskrit word bindu, which means a ‘dot’. It is usually a red dot made with vermilion powder and is worn by the Hindu women between their eyebrows on their forehead.

Bindi is considered a symbol of ‘Parvati’ and signifies female energy which is believed by Hindus to protect women and their husbands. It is traditionally a symbol of marriage and is worn by the Hindu married women. It is also called as tika.

2.  Bindi has become a fashion :  Nowadays, wearing bindi has become a fashion and is even worn by unmarried girls and women. The shape of the bindi is no longer restricted to a dot and is available in various shapes, including oval, star, heart shaped, etc. It is even available in different bright colours like blue, green, yellow, orange, etc. The material of the bindi is no longer restricted to vermilion powder, but is made of coloured felt and other material. It is also available in a variety of designs in combination with coloured glass, glitter, etc.

3.  Mangalsutra : Mangalsutra means a thread of good-will. It is a necklace worn specially by Hindu married women as a symbol of their marriage. It consists of two strings of black beads with a pendant usually of gold. The black beads are believed to act as a protection against evil. It is believed to protect the women’s marriage and the life of her husband. In southern India, mangalsutra is called tali, which is a small gold ornament string on a cotton cord or a gold chain.

Hindu Married women are never supposed to remove their mangalsutra. It is only cut off when a Hindu lady becomes a widow.

4.  Allah Is the Protector :  Allah ((Subhana wa taaala).), our Creator, is the best to protect human beings. We do not require any red dot or black thread to protect us from evil. It is mentioned in the Glorius Qur’an in Surah Anam Chapter 6 verse 14 : "Say: Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth?" : [Al-Qur’an 6:14]  

It is mentioned in several places in the Glorius Qur’an including

Surah Ali Imran Chapter 3 Verse 150 and Surah Alhajj Chapter 22 Verse 78
"Allah is your Protector, and He is the best of helpers."

Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra signifies a lack of faith in Almighty God, our Creator, who is the best to protect.

5.  Against the Islamic Dress Code : Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra is a sign of Hindu women. The Islamic dress code does not permit a Muslim to wear any sign, symbol or mark which is specially significant of a non-Muslim.

 

6.  In Islam, Both Married and Unmarried women should not be Teased : Once, a Hindu friend of mine, while mentioning the benefits of mangalsutra said that it easily identifies a married women, and thus prevents them from being teased and molested. According to Islam, each and every woman, whether married or unmarried, Muslim or Non-Muslim, should neither be teased nor molested.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 01:31:02 PM »

I have also read in some articles that

Mangal Sutra is infact an Arabic culture...It is 'Al-Sutr-Mang' Arabic for 'The-Necklace-Love' a tradition started by Noah and adopted by Hindus, though they don't know..


But Personally  i have never seen any Arab following this culture. and moreover it is not proved by any Authentic Hadees that it was worn by any wives or daugters of the sahabas..

Noah ale slaam aur dusre pegambaron ki Kaum bahot kuch karti thin Jo ham par WAJIB nai hai..

We have to follow only the Footsteps of our Beloved Prophet  (Choicest blessing and peace be upon him) and the sahabas....


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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 01:36:26 PM »

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1.  Bindi or tika :  Bindi is derived from the sanskrit word bindu, which means a ‘dot’. It is usually a red dot made with vermilion powder and is worn by the Hindu women between their eyebrows on their forehead.

Bindi is considered a symbol of ‘Parvati’ and signifies female energy which is believed by Hindus to protect women and their husbands. It is traditionally a symbol of marriage and is worn by the Hindu married women. It is also called as tika.

2.  Bindi has become a fashion :  Nowadays, wearing bindi has become a fashion and is even worn by unmarried girls and women. The shape of the bindi is no longer restricted to a dot and is available in various shapes, including oval, star, heart shaped, etc. It is even available in different bright colours like blue, green, yellow, orange, etc. The material of the bindi is no longer restricted to vermilion powder, but is made of coloured felt and other material. It is also available in a variety of designs in combination with coloured glass, glitter, etc.


wat a brilliant answer is given by you
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 01:54:20 PM »

Nice and authentic reply - Jazak Allah
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 04:52:57 PM »

As i have seen with muslim WOMEN , Thay call it laccha which resmebles with the mangalsutra ,

but their is no belive that it gives some kind of good , when i asked the question why it is worn? they said its just the symbol for married women that they should not be approched for marriage in any of the gatherings.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 04:57:58 PM »

yes brother, in india they call, "KAALI POT KA LACCHA"...so can we wear this or not??? Is it like mangal sutra....?
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 05:16:48 PM »

very good reply.. will help a lot of people to be cleared of such misconceptions..!
Jazakallah khair..!
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 05:33:21 PM »

Assalam  Alaikum,
       All whatever replies above are  very informative as well it is been agreed 
As it is written "wearing magalsutra is against the Islamic Dress Code : Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra is a sign of Hindu women. The Islamic dress code does not permit a Muslim to wear any sign, symbol or mark which is specially significant of a non-Muslim."Which is agreed.
        A qs arised in my mind  ki  if a muslim women wearing a lachha/ mangalsutra is going against the islamic way is it ?As It is seen in karnatak as well Andhra thekali pot ka lachha is first thing worn by the bride,so should she deny for wearing it?.If a muslim women will not wear lachha how can one know  whether she married or not as all are not familiar with her ?On reading the above reply ones mind agrees but what about the symbol?
        If i am wrong to ask such  , i do apologise for it .
 

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 06:00:55 PM »

As the discussions is going on about the black beads, i have to clarify one more doubt from my learned brothers,
small children in India are applied a small black spot with kajal either on their forehead or palm hand etc. and sometimes a black thread is wound around their wrists or ankles..to ward of evil eye..
how much of this is true..and does black color in any way stops evil eye..? and i have seen in america muslim turkish people using a blue colored eye like symbol to ward of evil eye..!
please put some light on this..
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 06:03:14 PM »

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     A qs arised in my mind  ki  if a muslim women wearing a lachha/ mangalsutra is going against the islamic way is it ?As It is seen in karnatak as well Andhra thekali pot ka lachha is first thing worn by the bride,so should she deny for wearing it?.If a muslim women will not wear lachha how can one know  whether she married or not as all are not familiar with her ?On reading the above reply ones mind agrees but what about the symbol?
        If i am wrong to ask such  , i do apologise for it .
 

Cant understand yaar its simple to know if she is married or not just go ahead and ask her..If you cant ask her ask her Sister, Mother, any relative..
And this asking will be done ofcurz by a lady as Non Mahram cannot even see a girl according to Islamic Law.
Hence a Lady asking a lady should not be a problem..

In North India no one or i must say majority of Muslim girls dont wear any such TRADE MARK of
marriage that does not mean everyone comes and asks her hand in marriage...

You do not need to Adopt Wrong ways to Do right things.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2010, 06:35:10 PM »

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As the discussions is going on about the black beads, i have to clarify one more doubt from my learned brothers,
small children in India are applied a small black spot with kajal either on their forehead or palm hand etc. and sometimes a black thread is wound around their wrists or ankles..to ward of evil eye..

Indians do believe strongly in the evil eye. Generally one finds a small black spot(of Kaajal) applied to a child's cheek, this is to supposedly ward off the evil eye !!
Bache ko Nazar na lage type of..

I'm reminded of a beautiful line in one of the famous ghazals by the maestro Ghulam Ali :
"Ab main samjha tere rukhsaar pe til ka matlab; daulate husn pe darwan bitha rakkha hain!"

Meaning : " I now understand the purpose of the mole on your face - its a guard protecting the wealth of beauty! "

The idea being that the black dot will make the kid/baby/anyone look just a little less cute hence inviting less EE. (The black dot it the original Indian 'Symantec protection'.)

An alternative (for the city-wallah types) is a black thread/band tied to the wrist, ankles, waist or the nape. (To make it less visible.)

But i have never come across any hadith or quranic verse which asks us to do anything like this...
and i dont think theres any harm also in doing it bcoz its not going against any Sharia or Fiqh Rules..

If it is please do let me also know...
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2010, 09:59:02 AM »

Uss salaam wa alaikum,
Imran Rahat sahib kuch aapse discuss karna hai is masle pe.
First thing: Is it Haraam, Halaal or Jayaz to wear a mangalsutra in ISLAM.
Second thing: Wearing a Mangalsutra is not HINDUS act but it is a culture found in INDIA. This is so because no scriptures of HINDUS talks about mangalsutra as the part of their religion. Correct me if I am wrong.
Third thing: People in India who are muslims leaving in village still wear PAGDI and DHOTI. Does that mean even these dresses are of HINDUS?
Fourth thing: Muslims wear Ehraam during the HAJJ. It’s the same as the JAIN People belonging to hindu sect wear the same thing while going to mandir. Does that mean we must stop wearing Ehraam.
Fifth thing: When Allah is our Protector then why do we wear TAAWEEZ? Where does our belief goes when we don’t ask someone to wear a Mangalsutra?
Sixth Thing: Taweez are also worn by Hindus and Muslims. So do you mean to say even wearing Taweez is wrong?
Seventh thing: If there is nothing in shariyah i.e. hadees sharif or quran about this masla does that means wearing the mangalsutra becomes HARAAM?

Brother I am not intending to fight with you but rather want to understand the way the Sufis deal with this issue and any other issues. If whatever I say is proven wrong insha Allah I will here on the same forum accept the TRUTH and will ask forgiveness for the same.

Please clarify the above points Imran bhai.
Jazak Allah Khairan Kasira.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 10:14:13 AM »

Mushfique bhai, U have asked an excellent thing abt this issue.....U r rite, the sufis might have dealt with sumthing as Hazrath Khwaja Garib Nawaz adopted the qawwali/sama'a culture bcoz the people who lived here in India, they had a tradition of singing songs. But Pyaare Garib Nawaz has made it easier for the people......

And I am also sure that Imran Bhai will definitely answer in an excellent way...Waiitng to see his reply....
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 12:13:59 PM »

First thing: Is it Haraam, Halaal or Jayaz to wear a mangalsutra in ISLAM.

If you wear anything not only mangalsutra in the niyyat that it brings good fortune with Allah(st) not being the main source of healing  it becomes HARAM,,,

As far as Mangulsutra or laccha is considered , thier are lot of ladies who like to wear as an ordinary jewelley as they like the beded jewllery,this is ok.



Second thing: Wearing a Mangalsutra is not HINDUS act but it is a culture found in INDIA. This is so because no scriptures of HINDUS talks about mangalsutra as the part of their religion. Correct me if I am wrong.

no idea

Third thing: People in India who are muslims leaving in village still wear PAGDI and DHOTI. Does that mean even these dresses are of HINDUS?

Thier are people in the cities also who wear Pagdi and dothi,,,these things are not part of Religious identity,

they are more of  thier tribal or family identity ,,,you can see this not only in india but through out the world,,,( in arab world the way the head scrafs are worn is differs from countries to countries, in afghan the pagdis are many, and pakistani pathans wear diferent kind of caps(topi) , in sudanis they have thier different ways.etcccc)

NOT TO FORGET THAT THIER IS PARTICULAR WAY OF WEARING A RELIGIOUS TURBAN.

Fourth thing: Muslims wear Ehraam during the HAJJ. It’s the same as the JAIN People belonging to hindu sect wear the same thing while going to mandir. Does that mean we must stop wearing Ehraam.

The jains have adopted from us.


Fifth thing: When Allah is our Protector then why do we wear TAAWEEZ? Where does our belief goes when we don’t ask someone to wear a Mangalsutra?

if Allah (st) is the protecter then why do you go to doctor , whatever he says you will follow him,,,why doctor knows because he has studied the respective subject and in them there are specialist ..

same way the alims SPRITUALLY  know how to treat and thier are ways of treating , and in them thier are specailist ,

we should remember the main source is Allah ( st) but thier is a medium for everything.

dont campare taweez and mangalsutra.

Sixth Thing: Taweez are also worn by Hindus and Muslims. So do you mean to say even wearing Taweez is wrong?

What muslims wear is from alim or from a holy place, but hindus wear from thier places as well as ours,

Our akeeda and belief is from Allah ( St) But thier its not.


seventh thing: If there is nothing in shariyah i.e. hadees sharif or quran about this masla does that means wearing the mangalsutra becomes HARAAM?

if we cannot find anything from Quran and sunnah ,,,consult a good alim he wil able to give you the answer as thier are so many issues which have been solved by the later Imams suing Fiqh AS OUR KNOWLEDGE IS LIMITED.

ALLAH (ST)and RASOLL(SAW) knows THE BEST.
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