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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2011, 08:41:01 PM »

mushfique bhai,
aap ko zakir naik muslim lagta hoga
mujhe to wo khabis naik lagta hai
aap to sab ko apna bhai banane chale hai yaar,to yeh bataye ashraf ali thanvi ,kasim nanotvi ,ismail dehlvi .ko aap kya kehte hai
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2011, 09:29:09 PM »

mushfique bhai,
aap ko zakir naik muslim lagta hoga
mujhe to wo khabis naik lagta hai
aap to sab ko apna bhai banane chale hai yaar,to yeh bataye ashraf ali thanvi ,kasim nanotvi ,ismail dehlvi .ko aap kya kehte hai
afsos ke aapko kuch dikhayi ya samjh nahi aata. Anyways, jaan le ke Allah behter jante hai aur unpe hi ye kaam chod de to behter hai. Agar kal qayamat ke din inmein se kisi ko bhi Allah ne Maaf kardiye AGAR, to fir aapka haal kya hoga bhai is hadees ke buniyad pe aapko jan lena chahiye:
Agar koi bhi shaks apne bhai ko KAAFIR kehta hai to unmein se ek to zaroor kaafir hai.

Kyun itna risk le rahe ho bhai Allah se darte raho aur use decide karne do ke kon kaha jayegaa.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2011, 10:44:01 AM »

aap ne mere sawal ka jawab nahi diya mushfique bhai
app ashraf ali thanvi,rashid ahmed gangohi,kasim nanotvi, ismail dehevi ko kya mante hai HuhHuhHuh?
plzzzzzzz jawab de
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 07:31:50 AM »

aap ne mere sawal ka jawab nahi diya mushfique bhai
app ashraf ali thanvi,rashid ahmed gangohi,kasim nanotvi, ismail dehevi ko kya mante hai HuhHuhHuh?
plzzzzzzz jawab de

Sageakhter sahab main koi bhi nahi hun inlogon ko kuch kehne wala. Kya pata inki MAUT IMAAN pe hui ho! Ye Allah aur unke Habeeb sualal la hu alaihewasallam behter jante hai. Main sirf itna samjhana chahta hun. Lekin agar aap insabhi ko KAAFIR keh rahe hai to fir aapko hosakta hai ke iska jawaab Allah ki bargah mein dena padhe yaa na padhe. Lekin ALhumdolillahe hume inke likhe hue aqeede ko bura manke chalna chahiye aur ye behter hai aise mein shayad Allah hume naa pakde. Chances bohot kum hai aise case mein lekin waise case mein chances zadaa ke Allah hume pakde.
Ala hazrat rahimullah ne kya inhe KAAFIR kaha hai? Please bohot khushi hogi agar aap iska hawala pesh kare.

Aur ye hadees sharif pe gaur farmayiye: SAHI BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."
Hadees ke alfad saaf hai ke UNKA HISAAB HUM ALLAH PE CHODENGE aur SAHABA KA KAUL MAUJUD HAI KE "UNHE HUM MUSLIM HI KAHENGE". Ye law sirf aur sirf hum jaise aam logon ke liye hai. Hosake to aap Ala hazrat rahimullah ka koi kaul le aaiye jaha in sab ko unhone KAAFIR kaha hai.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 07:54:21 AM »

Wasie aapke liye kuch hawal de deta hun Jaha Ala Hazrat rahimullah kitne cautious the kisi ko KAAFIR KEHNE SE:
"We do not give any comment on the Kufr of Molwi Ismail Dehlwi, simply because Sayyiduna Rasulullah has warned us against terming the Ahle Qibla as Kaafirs. (It is only possible) to term a person a Kaafir if his Kufr becomes clear as the sun and the minutest indication does not remain that he is a Muslim." (Tamheed-e-Imaan, pg. 42-43)
Ab aapse request hai ke Ala Hazrat rahimullah ka FATWA layiye jahan in logon ko KAAFIR kaha gaya hai.
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 08:56:17 AM »

Assalam alaikum all,

In response to the question asked by bro sageakhter :- Bro sageakhter, Ashraf ali thanvi, rashid ahmed gangogi, qasim nanotvi ismail dahalvi and gulam ahmed qadiyani all are Kafirs, they all are Steps brothers.. Ala hazarth had giving the Kufr fatwa against Ashraf ali thanvi, when he used some filty words against our beloved prophet sarkar Muhammed Sallalalhualaihiwasallam.

Qasim Nanotvi had written in one of his book about the coming of last messenger of Allah. And he himself wanted to claim to be the last prophet, however Gulam Ahmed Qadiyani appeared and taken that honour from Qasim nanotvi, and formed Kadiyani Jamaat.

I have gone through few of the books written by those kafirs and the words what they have used against our prophet is very rude and shocking. Because of those jamaats, Kadiyani's are on rise. And now these duplicate Jamaat's says they are fighting against Kadiyanis by condcuting Saminaar and all.


@ Brother Mushfique : Brother we all are follower of Sarkar sallalalahualaihiwasallam and we are very soft at heart, and because of your soft attitude these people are doing whatever comes to their minds.  And because of our soft attitude, our young Sunni generations are falling prey to them.


Bro:-  Haq ko Haq aur baatil ko batil bolna, ye Quraan-e-sharref main hai. Aur Sarker-e-do alaam ke gustakon ko kafir bolna ye sahaba ki sunnat hai.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 09:24:48 AM »


Bro:-  Haq ko Haq aur baatil ko batil bolna, ye Quraan-e-sharref main hai. Aur Sarker-e-do alaam ke gustakon ko kafir bolna ye sahaba ki sunnat hai.

w.salaam,
Mohammed Akeel saheb please give riwayat where sahabas called gustakhe Rasul sualal la hu alaihewasallam as KAAFIR. I have given two proofs one from hadees where Anas ibn Malik Radi Allahu has said Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have." and other is of Ala Hazrat Rahimullah. Without proof nothing can be accepted hope you also understand. Secondly, please you all can be HARD hearted and behave the same way as the other side seems to be no issues. I have learnt only one thing from Sufiya karaam that softness even melts the STONES.
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2011, 10:08:53 AM »


Sageakhter sahab main koi bhi nahi hun inlogon ko kuch kehne wala. Kya pata inki MAUT IMAAN pe hui ho! Ye Allah aur unke Habeeb sualal la hu alaihewasallam behter jante hai[/quote]

mushfique bhai aap upar aap ne likha hai KYA PATA IN KI MAUT IMAAN PE HUI HI .....
chalo maan lete hai ke inhone marte waqt kalma padh liya ho...

ab mujhe aap ye batae ke aap to namaz e janaja  padte hi honge . aap ko kaise maloom ho jata hai ke mkaarne wale ka khatima EMAAN par hua hai. ho sakta hai marte waqt emaan chalegaya ho?
aur kisi kafir ko musalman manna bhi kufr hai.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2011, 05:55:38 PM »

mujhe to samajh he nahi aata hai yaar ,wo kafir naik jisne sarkar sallallahu alaihe wasallam ko manna hamare liye haram kaha hai ,ab aage ye khabis kya kehta hai.us ka bhi sabut chahiye logon ko. (where is the link,have u seen it ,have u heard it ).
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Book 001, Number 0116:
It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: When a man calls his brother an unbeliever, it returns (at least) to one of them.

Book 001, Number 0117:
It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who called his brother: or unbeliever (has in fact done an act by which this unbelief) would return to one of them. If it were so, as he asserted (then the unbelief of man was confirmed but if it was not true), then it returned to him (to the man who labeled it on his brother Muslim).

Kisi ko Kaafir kehne se pehle ye risk dhyaan mein rakhna har musalmaan ko zaroori hai. Allah Zakir naik ko uske kiye ke mutabiq hajr de. Allah behter jante hai ke woh kya hai. Hope you can understand this sageakhter.
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Brother Mushfique i really appreciate your attitude when it comes to calling someone a Kaffir. We are all Muslims even though we all make mistakes and have difference of Opinion. Who is anyone to call another Muslim Kaffir, that is indeed a great sin. This Sageakhtar has full of hatred inside him and wants to offen Zakir naik as much as possible because he is frustated inside.
Thanks for posting the Hadith regarding prohibition of calling anyone Kaffir. May Allah bless you Mushfique for uplholding to a Hadith when responding to someone. This approach of using Quranic verses and Sahih Hadith should be the method of every muslim i.e Daleel.
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2011, 05:58:46 PM »

Before Commenting on what Dr Zakir Naik's Claim's has any body even thought to verify wheather he has really commented such things or it is just a verbal rumour started by individual. If he has not commented such things than you can think how Allah Subhanatala will treat such person.
You are right rafiqpatel that as a Muslim we should not pass wrong things or news without proof. Please if the person who has started the Topic can post a video link where Zakir naik has said that it is haraam to say Fateha on Food, it will be much appreciated.
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Thanks for being Truthful brother Mushfique. I have seen many of them including Talib-elm, Sageakhtar lying about Zakir naik to spread a hate campaign against him. This is a great sin and they will be accountable to Allah for this.
Talib-e-Ilm edited Dr Zakir Naiks response on Yazid (Rahimullah ) by cutting some scenes and posting only parts of the video and then lying about him in this forum. How can someone speak like this without even posting the whole Video.
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2011, 06:46:36 PM »

Sameerahmed,
I am truthfull Alhumdolillahe. So when we shall be discussing I request you also to be Truthfull.
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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2017, 01:17:30 PM »

This is proven from Hadees that RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam had food with the Sahibis he used to first keep the food in front of him then Read some quranic ayaats and then Distribute the Food to the Sahabis...

Jisse us khaane me Itni Barkat hoti thi ke Khaana Kam hone ke wajaud bhi sab ko pura pad jaata tha aur bach bhi jaata tha..

This Sunnat of RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam is being copied when Sunni Muslims do Fateha.

Some More Intelligent people Object to the saying that

Yeh Khwaja Sahib ki Nyaaz hai...
Yeh Gaus Paak ki Nyaaz hai...

they claim that Is par GairAllah ka naam liya gya is liye yeh haraam hai..


Arey bewakufon...
Jab qurbaani ka Bakra laate ho tab nai kehte yeh..Salmaan sahab ka bakra hai..
yeh Altaaf Sahab ka Bakra hai... Yeh Bakra me apne baap k naam par dunga..yeh apni maa ke naam par dunga...


to kya Qurbaani bhi hraaam hogyee....

Allah Reham kare aur hame in Fitno se bachayee...


Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 68, Number 456 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
That the Prophet entered upon her when she had her menses at Sarif before entering  Makkah, and she was weeping (because she was afraid that she would not be able to perform the Hajj). The Prophet said, "What is wrong with you? Have you got your period?" She said, "Yes." He said, "This is a matter Allah has decreed for all the daughters of Adam, so perform all the ceremonies of Hajj like the others, but do not perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba." 'Aisha added: When we were at Mina, beef was brought to me and I asked, "What is this?" They (the people) said, "Allah's Apostle has slaughtered some cows as sacrifices on behalf of his wives."

According to this hadeeth, Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Aalaihi Wa Sallam gave qurbani on behalf of his wife... with this in mind it is permissible to give qurbaani on behalf of our family members.

Kindly let me know of any hadeeth or any evidence where Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Aalaihi Wa Sallam DID (or) ADVISED us to do  "Yeh Khwaja Sahib ki Nyaaz hai...
Yeh Gaus Paak ki Nyaaz hai..." or something like that.
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