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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM »

fiza sis
assalammualaikum warehmatullahi wa barakatahu,

sis maine aap ke saamne mushfique ki tamaam batoon ko rakha tha.aur maine aap se sawal kiya tha ki aap mushfique ko kya samjhte hai.( is he guilty or not ) lekin aap ne mujhe jawaab nahi diya .
sis i just want to know ki usne gustakhi ki ya nahi ?

sis,  aapne mujhe likha.....sageakhter bhai we have so many Aulia ALLAH and if you wish to follow A'la Hadrat, Imam Ahmed Raza Khan Al-Qaaderi (radi Allahu Ta'ala anhu) den ye app ki marzi app ki khushi....Islam mein ye kahin nahi likha keh hum srif ek Aulia ALLAH ko follow karein......

sis to app ko isa lag raha hai ki mai keh raha hoon ki SIRF sarkar alahazrat rehmatullah ta aala alaih ko mana jaye aur kisi ko nahi ?......agar aap ka jawaab haan hai to aap galat hai .

maine kahen bhi ye nahi kaha ke sirf alahazrat ko HI MANO aur kisi ko mat mano.
aap sab samajh nahi rahe hai ,..... are mai aur shadab ne aap logon ko ye hi samjha rahe hai ki ...sarkar ala hazrat rehmatulah ta aala alai ne hi hamein in buzurgoon ki sahi muhabbat hamein sikhae hai aaj jo hum tamaam auliya ko apne sar ko taj maanterin hai to wo sarkar ala hazrat rehmatullah ta aala alaih ke wajeh se hai.
sister app chahe chisti ho ya qadri ho ya soharwardi ho ya naqshbandi ho..kisibhi mazare pak se aapki aqeedat ho ...lekin shariyat har jagah 1 hi hai .
shariyat chist ke yahan alag aur qadri ke yahan alag aisa nahi ho sakta hai ,
baat chalrahi thi ke deobandi tableegi ahle khabis .daira e islam mein hai ki nahi,
lekin us ko ghuma ke mushfique le aaya auliya e kiram tak , qadri ,chisti.gulbargah tak.
masla hai aqeede ka ki kisko kya manna chahiye .
lekin mushfique ,auliya ke aad kekar najane kya kya keh gaya .

sister maine aap se 1 sawal kiya tha ke
aap ko ye kaise maloom ho jata hai ke ye aadmi/aurat musalman hai.

sister, maine aap ko jo wo sawaal pucha tha aap ke maa baap ke bare mein........to main sirf ye hi batana chata tha ke jab hum apne maa ya baap ki koe touhin kare to us se baat chit sa band kardete hai ............aur jinhone hamare aaka sallallahu alaie wa sallam ki shaan mein gustakhi ki hai wo aaka jin par hamare maa baap dono qurbaan . unke gustak ko hum apna BHAI kaise bana sakte hai.
sister aap keh rahi hai ke
....kis ko Kafir kehna na kehna ye sawal srif woh he debate kar sakhtey hain who have a great deal of Islamic knowledge and proper qualifications jo srif Ulema and Sheikhs....Alhamdulillah is forum mein na he koi Ulema and Sheikhs
yahan par do batein main aapse jaan na chahunga plzzzz jawab zarur dijiyega
1) aap ne mazhar rehmani bhai ka jawab page 1 per hai.us mein unhone unke pere kamil ke bare mein bataya hai usse main 1 jagah wo kente hai ki
  " ye bat Hazrat Maulana Shah Fazl-e-Rehman Gunjmuradabadi(rahmatullah alaih) ko kashf se pata chal gaye is par aap ne Ala Hazrat(rahmatullah alaih) se kaha ki han han jo adna harf gustaki(matlab ek dum mamuli se) Huzoor(Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) ki bargah main kare bila shubha kafir hai."

app upar dyan se padhe ke mazhar rehmani bhai ke peer saab kya keh rahe hai .
ab bhi ye janne ke liye aap ko ulema ki zaroorat hai ke adna tauhin kise kehte hai ?

2) aap ne upar likha " ....Alhamdulillah is forum mein na he koi Ulema and Sheikhs hain....
main janna chata hoon ki yahan per aapne alhamdulillah kyun kaha hai.

whaaz bhai .
aap ne bhi mushfique ki kahbasat bhari line padhkar aapne sidha mujhse sawaal hazrat mansoor hallad ke bare me kiya
yani aap ko mushfique ki batoon mein kahin koe gustakhi nazar nahi aaye .

rizwan bhai fiza sis aapke jawaboon ka intezaar hai



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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2011, 10:03:48 AM »

Sister ab jab hum ne us ki gustaki bataiye to aap ne discussion band karne ko kaha hai magar mai ye chahata hu ki vo bus sab ke samne azhari miya ki gustaki ki tauba kare nahi to mai fir se ek post tayaar karuga aur hamne jo attar aur tahir padri ki gustaki ki to mai ise gustaki nahi samjhta hu mere paas proof hai unke badmazhabi ki agar uske paas azhari miya ke bare mai koi proof hai to pesh kar warna tauba kar bolna.
Aur ek guzarish hai aap board member se ke mai tahirul padri ke bare mai proof aapko msg ke sath bhej raha hu aap use dekhe aur ek post apni tayyar karke usme apni rai pesh kare tahir padri ke bare mai.
Aur ek guzarish hai aap board member se ke zara mushfique se puche to zara vo konse wali ya pir se bait hai to uska sab zahir ho jayega.
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mere bhai shadab raza.......aapne mail pe yeah question pucha toh i thout to answer in public....

Mushfique bhai ek bohot hi nayaab hasti se bait hai jinka naam Hazrat Sayyed Ainul Shah Sarkar hai......jinki mazaar mumbai k chunabhatti area me hai.....yeh Chisti Nizami Safvi silsila hai........mere bohot se friend inse bait hai.........bohot hi aala silsilaa hai...........inki bohot si karamate hai........my friendz use to tell me about Sarkar Ainul Shah alaihir rehman......

pehle apka jo post tha Challenge to Wahabi supporter in wich wer u indiretly addressing it to mushfique bhai.........was baseless.........coz i knw mushfique bhai is not one of them who support wahabism........

so i was tryin to settle down the issue by lockin the post...........also dint i tell u guyz that these kinda discussion turn to Gustakhi's.........but u wanted to continue..........

Mushfique bhai plz correct me if ive written anythin wrong about ur silsilaa........i wrote wat i cam to knw from my frndz who r ur peer bhai.........

and i want u to post things for wich u wer seeking permission from our team members..........let the things come on board for a clear picture.........

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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2011, 11:13:47 AM »

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mere bhai shadab raza.......aapne mail pe yeah question pucha toh i thout to answer in public....

Mushfique bhai ek bohot hi nayaab hasti se bait hai jinka naam Hazrat Sayyed Ainul Shah Sarkar hai......jinki mazaar mumbai k chunabhatti area me hai.....yeh Chisti Nizami Safvi silsila hai........mere bohot se friend inse bait hai.........bohot hi aala silsilaa hai...........inki bohot si karamate hai........my friendz use to tell me about Sarkar Ainul Shah alaihir rehman......

pehle apka jo post tha Challenge to Wahabi supporter in wich wer u indiretly addressing it to mushfique bhai.........was baseless.........coz i knw mushfique bhai is not one of them who support wahabism........

so i was tryin to settle down the issue by lockin the post...........also dint i tell u guyz that these kinda discussion turn to Gustakhi's.........but u wanted to continue..........

Mushfique bhai plz correct me if ive written anythin wrong about ur silsilaa........i wrote wat i cam to knw from my frndz who r ur peer bhai.........

and i want u to post things for wich u wer seeking permission from our team members..........let the things come on board for a clear picture.........

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Beshak bhai beshak aapne HAQ kaha hai Altaf Bhai. Mujhe Wahabiyat/Ahle hadees/Tableeghi AQEEDE se utna hi nafrat hai jitna ke KISI bhi MOMIN ko wapas apne deen-e-islam se phir jaane se nafrat hota hai.
Mere kahe gaye hur ek statment ke peeche mera NIYAT thaa lekin ye log us niyat ko manne ko hi tayyar nahi. Jub maine kaha ke MAIN AHLE HADEES HUN tub meri niyat Allah behter jante hai ke yehi thi ke main Hadeeson ko manne wala hun aur naa ke AHLE HADEES WALON JAISA AQEEDA RAKHTA HUN. Wahabi/Ahle hadees/Tableeghi jamaat wale hi aise hai ke jo MUSALMANO ke NIYAT pe attack karte hai. Maslan inke ulema kehte hai ke hum jub mazaar sharif ke samne khade hoke haat bandhke fateha padhte hai to ye log kehte hai ke ye KAYAAM kar raha hai jo ke namaz mein hum log karte hai. Koi mazaar ko chum raha hai to kehte hai ke dekho MAZAAR ki ibadat kar raha hai. Ye injaise logon ka kaam hai ke MUSALMANO KE NIYAT PE ATTACK KARE.
Mujhe gum isi baat ka hai ke aaj bhi SUNNIYAT KE kuch log aisa hi kaam kar rahe hai. Kisi bhi Musalmaan ko KAAFIR kehna sirf uske amal ke wajeh se ye GALAT hai. USKI niyat dekhni chahiye aur us se puchna chahiye ke woh aisa kyun kar raha hai. Allah ke pyare habeeb sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne kitni achi baat kahi hai :

Anas Bin Malik Radiallahu farmate hai ke Aqa Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne farmaya : Tin cheezein IMAAN ki buniyad mein se hai:
1) Us insaan se dur rehna (Yaani use katl naa karma) jo kahe Laa ILAHA ILALLAH kahe. 2) Use KAAFIR na kehna chahe who koi bhi GUNAH gare. 3) Aur use islam se bahar nahi nikalna usqe kisi amal ke wajeh se.
Sunnan Abu Dawood Volume 2 Hadith 2170

Kya ye sab inke ulema ko nahi dikhta? ab jo log is hadees pe amal karte hai kya woh GALAT yaa GUMRAH hai? Jub Mufti akmal saheb aur Dr. Tahirul Qadri is hadees pe amal kare to woh GUMRAH hai? Mere nazdik wohi sahi ulema hai jo aisa Aqeeda rakhte hai. Kya Maslake Ala Hazrat rahimullah mein iska koi Makaam nahi hai? G hain bilkul hai isi wajeh se unhone kuch 19 saal laga diye Apne fatwe dene mein aur woh bhi diya to Makka ke ULEMA ke fatwa aane ke baad. Aur fatwa diya bhi to sirf unhi logon ko jo US AQEEDE PE THE.

Hum inlogon ke PEER sahab ki qadar karte hai isliye main khaas tor pe jub dusre post pe kisine SDI aur DI ke upar fatwa dikhate hue kisine pucha ke ye fatwe mere peer sahab (Tajus Shariyah) ne diye hai ab main kya karun. Tub maine saaf keh diya ke aap apne peer sahab ko follow kijiye aur SDI aur DI walon se request karo ke woh ye aapsi ranjish ko dur kare aur clear karde apna stand.
Mera maksad yehi thaa ke jaise inke peer sahab hai Azhari miya waise hi kisi aur ke peer sahab bhi hai. Ye chahte hai ke sab Azhari miya ke hukm ko maane to apne peer ki kon sunegaa? Uper se ye chahte hai ke Imam Ahmed raza khan rahimullah ke maslak pe hi chalna zaroori hai warna hur woh shaks gumrah hai. To kya mere PEER sahab ya dusro ke PEER sahab Maz Allah GUMRAH hai? Kya itne sare buzurg jo Ala Hazrat rahimullah se pehle aaye aur baad mein bhi woh Gumrah the. Aaj bhi Gulbargha sahrif se fatwe nikalte hai jo inke fatwe se takrate hai to kya hum kahenge ki bhai ye GALAT hai yaa woh GALAT hai?
Islam ye nahi sikhata, Islam sikhata hai kaise ek dusre ko samjha jaaye, muhubbet se pesh aya jaaye. Aaj tak maine kabhi bhi Tahirul Qadri rahimullah ke muridon ko inhe gaali dete nahi suna kyunki ye log unhe kufr tak ka fatwa dene ke soch mein hai. Ye hota hai din aur ye hota hai SAHI ki pehchaan.
Main aisa hi likhta rahunga insha Allah taa umar taa dam tak. Is ummah se muhubbet karne wala aur use jodne wala MUSALMAAN hai aur Jo ise todne pe jutegaa, use Allah se darna chahiye. Main Altaf bhai se guzarish karta hun ke agar ye log fir bhi chahte hai ke hum aage discussion chalu kare to fir mujhe baar baar inke ulema ke galat fatwe ko batana hi padhegaa aur aisa karne se inke dil ko chot pohchegi aur ye sirf aur sirf GAALI, Tu tadaak, aur bezati hi karna pasand karenge.
Maine inhe kitne baar samjhaya ke Maslak kaa naam raushan Allah khud karte hai use khud roshan karne se kuch faida nahi. Aapka bartaaw, personality, ikhlaak aur imaan ye sab aapke maslak ko sabit karta hai. Main Allah ka shukr guzaar hun ke yaha mujhe aise log mile jo ye sab samjhte aur jaante hai. Sage akhtar saheb jub aapko deoband ko jawaab dena thaa tub aapko maine hi help ki thi shayad aap ye bhul gaye? tub main aapka bhai thaa aur ab aapka kuch bhi nahi sirf is wajeh se ke Maine UMMAH mein unity chahi aur unhe ISLAM se bahar nikalne se rokna chaha. Aap jo chahe kare lekin apna Maslak aur apna aqeeda kisi aur pe thope nahi. Har ek shaks ke peer sahab hai aur woh unhe SAMBHALNA jaante hai isliye woh PEER hai.
AWLIYA ALLAH KA MAKAAM SARE ULEMA SE BADHKE HAI. SARE ULEMA MILKE BHI EK AWLIYA ALLAH KA MUKABLA NAHI KAR SAKTE. DIN, IMAAN, SUNNIYAT SAB AWLIYA ALLAH SE HAI. EK YA DO AWLIYA KO MANLENA AASAN HAI LEKIN SAARE AWLIYAON PE IMAAN LANA MUSHKIL. SARE AWLIYA GAUSE AZAM RADIALLAHU SE HAI AUR SARE GAUZ KUTUB SAHABA SE AUR SARE SAHABA ALLAH KE RASUL SUALAL LA HU ALAIHEWASALLAM SE AUR ALLAH KE RASUL SUALAL LA HU ALAIHEWASALLAM ALLAH SE HAI. IMAAN HAI LAA ILAHA ILALLAH MUHUMDUR RASULALLAH AUR AWLIYA KE MAZHAB KO MANNA AUR TASLIM KARNA. AGAR KISI BHI ULEMA KI BAAT APNE PEER SAHEB KI BAAT SE TAKRAYE TO PEER SAHAB KO FOLLOW KARNA WAJIB HAI. AGAR ISMEIN KOI SHAKK HAI TO FIR WOH APNE PEER KA NAHI RAHA WOH TO ULEMAA KA BANKE REHGAYA.
Shayad mere in saari baton se aapko kuch ehsaas ho jaye ke meri NIYAT kya hai aur main kyun aapse sawal pe sawal kar raha thaa. Fir bhi aap agar baat ko aage le jana chahte hai to main ek sec bhi nahi rukunga aapke maslak ke barein mein bolne ke liye woh isi wajeh se ke aap zabardasti sab ko ispe amal karwana chahte hai jubke har shaks ka ek peer hai aur woh unhe hi follow karna pasand karte hai. Aapke explanation ka intezaar rahegaa.
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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2011, 12:00:22 PM »

Ek jagah kehte ho ki mai inse nafrat karta hu aur ek jagah kehte hi ki mai inke sath uthta bethta hu ye dogla pan ku
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« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2011, 12:55:19 PM »

Sister ab jab hum ne us ki gustaki bataiye to aap ne discussion band karne ko kaha hai magar mai ye chahata hu ki vo bus sab ke samne azhari miya ki gustaki ki tauba kare nahi to mai fir se ek post tayaar karuga aur hamne jo attar aur tahir padri ki gustaki ki to mai ise gustaki nahi samjhta hu mere paas proof hai unke badmazhabi ki agar uske paas azhari miya ke bare mai koi proof hai to pesh kar warna tauba kar bolna.
Aur ek guzarish hai aap board member se ke mai tahirul padri ke bare mai proof aapko msg ke sath bhej raha hu aap use dekhe aur ek post apni tayyar karke usme apni rai pesh kare tahir padri ke bare mai.
Aur ek guzarish hai aap board member se ke zara mushfique se puche to zara vo konse wali ya pir se bait hai to uska sab zahir ho jayega.
Plz Replay karna



mere bhai shadab raza.......aapne mail pe yeah question pucha toh i thout to answer in public....

Mushfique bhai ek bohot hi nayaab hasti se bait hai jinka naam Hazrat Sayyed Ainul Shah Sarkar hai......jinki mazaar mumbai k chunabhatti area me hai.....yeh Chisti Nizami Safvi silsila hai........mere bohot se friend inse bait hai.........bohot hi aala silsilaa hai...........inki bohot si karamate hai........my friendz use to tell me about Sarkar Ainul Shah alaihir rehman......

pehle apka jo post tha Challenge to Wahabi supporter in wich wer u indiretly addressing it to mushfique bhai.........was baseless.........coz i knw mushfique bhai is not one of them who support wahabism........

so i was tryin to settle down the issue by lockin the post...........also dint i tell u guyz that these kinda discussion turn to Gustakhi's.........but u wanted to continue..........

Mushfique bhai plz correct me if ive written anythin wrong about ur silsilaa........i wrote wat i cam to knw from my frndz who r ur peer bhai.........

and i want u to post things for wich u wer seeking permission from our team members..........let the things come on board for a clear picture.........

Altaf Sultani
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aur ek baat (just recollected) jo maine apne buzurgo se suni hai........jab kabhi Aala Hazrat alaihir rehma mumbai aate toh 2 Aastane Aaliya pe zaroor salaami pesh karte

1) Hazrat Kamli Shah Sarkar alaihir rehman (Hazrat Ainul Shah Sarkar ke Walid Majid hai)
2) Hazrat Ismail Shah Sarkar alaihir rehman (Parel, Mumbai...... ke Qutb hai)

http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,3729.0.html
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« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2011, 02:17:21 PM »

Ek jagah kehte ho ki mai inse nafrat karta hu aur ek jagah kehte hi ki mai inke sath uthta bethta hu ye dogla pan ku
Shadab saheb,
Baithta uthta to main is forum pe bhi hun aapke saath bhi aur dusre jo Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi hai. Is forum pe sabhi log aate hai aur unke saath baat karne ke liye unke sath baithna hi padhta hai. Kya Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam yahudiyon ke saath nahi baithte the? are janaab aapko shayad pata hona chahiye ke humare Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne to YAHUDI ke yahan KHANA tak KHAYA hai. Ab ye naye rules aapke ulema ko mubarak ho. Mind it kya Aapke ulema Wahabee, ahle hadees/Deobandi ke saath MUNAZARA karte waqt UNKE SAATH nahi baithte? Ohh sorry main to bhul hi gaya ke aapke Ulema to ab unke saath bhi baithna chod diye kyunki ab MUNAZRA jo nahi karna hai naa unke saath, ye sochke ke unke saath baithna jo padhegaa!!!
Waise bhi aapko bata dun ke aap bhul rahe hai ke main pehle se keh raha hun ke SABHI YAA SAARE SAARE KE woh log jo apne aap ko Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi and also now as per your ULEMA, SDI DI wale hai woh KAAFIR NAHI HAI jub tak unka AQEEDA GALAT SAABIT NAHI HOTAA YAA GALAT AQEEDE WALE JAISA NAHI HO JAATE.
AAPKE MUTABIK TO JO NAYA BACHA BHI PAIDA HOTA HAI INLOGON KE GHAR WOH BHI KAAFIR HAI KYUNKE YE UNKE SAATH REHTA HAI UTHTA HAI BAITHTA HAI AUR KHATA PEETA HAI. ALLAH AISE FITNEH SE BACHAYE
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« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2011, 02:42:05 PM »

HuhHuh?are janaab aapko shayad pata hona chahiye ke humare Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne to YAHUDI ke yahan KHANA tak KHAYA hai.
>>>>>Are janab aap logo se bahut hawale mangte ho zara is bare mai koi hawala pesh karo,
HuhHuh???Mind it kya Aapke ulema Wahabee, ahle hadees/Deobandi ke saath MUNAZARA karte waqt UNKE SAATH nahi baithte? Ohh sorry main to bhul hi gaya ke aapke Ulema to ab unke saath bhi baithna chod diye kyunki ab MUNAZRA jo nahi karna hai naa unke saath, ye sochke ke unke saath baithna jo padhegaa!!!
>>>>>>Are aap ku bhul rahe ho ke hamare jo ulema hai vo unka radd karne bethe hai na ki suleh karne thumarhe ulema ke jaise aur aap ku bhul rahe ho ke munzara karna huzoor ki sunnat hai aur ta qayamat tak hamare ulema unse munazra karege.tum zara aapne ek molana ka naam to batao jisne munazara kiya ho.
HuhHuh??Waise bhi aapko bata dun ke aap bhul rahe hai ke main pehle se keh raha hun ke SABHI YAA SAARE SAARE KE woh log jo apne aap ko Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi and also now as per your ULEMA, SDI DI wale hai woh KAAFIR NAHI HAI jub tak unka AQEEDA GALAT SAABIT NAHI HOTAA YAA GALAT AQEEDE WALE JAISA NAHI HO JAATE.
>>>>>>>Mai nahi aap bhul rahe ho ke iska jawab mai pehle hi de chuka hu aur vo bhi fatwa se aur hawala bhi de diya hu lekin aapne vo post par replay nahi kiya ye bolke ke pura jawab do lekin pehle aadhe ka to jawab do fir mai pura likhuga.
HuhHuh??AAPKE MUTABIK TO JO NAYA BACHA BHI PAIDA HOTA HAI INLOGON KE GHAR WOH BHI KAAFIR HAI KYUNKE YE UNKE SAATH REHTA HAI UTHTA HAI BAITHTA HAI AUR KHATA PEETA HAI. ALLAH AISE FITNEH SE BACHAYE
>>>>>>Nahi hamne ye kab kaha hai ku ki sahryat ka masla sahibe aqal par fatwa diya jata hai na ki nabalig bachhe par aur iske bhi wazahat mene ek aalime din se puche gaye masle ke jawab mai pehle hi aapko bata diya tha aur vo link bhi aapko bheji thi magar aapne uske jawab dene ke badle akmal sahab ka fatwa pesh kiya tha.
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« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2011, 03:05:00 PM »

HuhHuh?are janaab aapko shayad pata hona chahiye ke humare Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne to YAHUDI ke yahan KHANA tak KHAYA hai.
>>>>>Are janab aap logo se bahut hawale mangte ho zara is bare mai koi hawala pesh karo,
HuhHuh???Mind it kya Aapke ulema Wahabee, ahle hadees/Deobandi ke saath MUNAZARA karte waqt UNKE SAATH nahi baithte? Ohh sorry main to bhul hi gaya ke aapke Ulema to ab unke saath bhi baithna chod diye kyunki ab MUNAZRA jo nahi karna hai naa unke saath, ye sochke ke unke saath baithna jo padhegaa!!!
>>>>>>Are aap ku bhul rahe ho ke hamare jo ulema hai vo unka radd karne bethe hai na ki suleh karne thumarhe ulema ke jaise aur aap ku bhul rahe ho ke munzara karna huzoor ki sunnat hai aur ta qayamat tak hamare ulema unse munazra karege.tum zara aapne ek molana ka naam to batao jisne munazara kiya ho.
HuhHuh??Waise bhi aapko bata dun ke aap bhul rahe hai ke main pehle se keh raha hun ke SABHI YAA SAARE SAARE KE woh log jo apne aap ko Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi and also now as per your ULEMA, SDI DI wale hai woh KAAFIR NAHI HAI jub tak unka AQEEDA GALAT SAABIT NAHI HOTAA YAA GALAT AQEEDE WALE JAISA NAHI HO JAATE.
>>>>>>>Mai nahi aap bhul rahe ho ke iska jawab mai pehle hi de chuka hu aur vo bhi fatwa se aur hawala bhi de diya hu lekin aapne vo post par replay nahi kiya ye bolke ke pura jawab do lekin pehle aadhe ka to jawab do fir mai pura likhuga.
HuhHuh??AAPKE MUTABIK TO JO NAYA BACHA BHI PAIDA HOTA HAI INLOGON KE GHAR WOH BHI KAAFIR HAI KYUNKE YE UNKE SAATH REHTA HAI UTHTA HAI BAITHTA HAI AUR KHATA PEETA HAI. ALLAH AISE FITNEH SE BACHAYE
>>>>>>Nahi hamne ye kab kaha hai ku ki sahryat ka masla sahibe aqal par fatwa diya jata hai na ki nabalig bachhe par aur iske bhi wazahat mene ek aalime din se puche gaye masle ke jawab mai pehle hi aapko bata diya tha aur vo link bhi aapko bheji thi magar aapne uske jawab dene ke badle akmal sahab ka fatwa pesh kiya tha.
Aapke hawala mangne pe bohot khushi hui. Appke andaaz se pata chala ke aapko bohot dukh hua thaa jub maine aapse ya aapke doston se hawala manga thaa. Lekin hawal dena to SAHI MUSALMAAN ki pehchan hai naa. CHALIYE JANAAB AGAR MAINE AAAPKO ISKI DALIL DE DI KE "Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne to YAHUDI ke yahan KHANA KHAYA hai" TO KYA FIR AAP APNE ULEMA KA RADD KARENGE AUR KAHENGE KE AAPKE ULEMA SE GALTI HUI AISA FATWA DENE MEIN? MIND IT AAP SHAYAD WAHABI YA AHLE HADEES YAA DEOBANDI JAISE US hadees ko DAEEF TO NAHI KAHENGE NAA? WAITING FOR YOUR VALUABLE REPLY.
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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2011, 03:14:20 PM »

Pehle aap hadees to pesh karo ku ki kai hadees aise hai jo 4 Imam ke nazdik pehle amal pera thi fir baad mai iske amal se mana kar diya gaya jese ke rafaiden mai pehle ek hadees hai ki rasool salalaho alih wa salam ek baar hath uthane ke baad baar baar hath uthaya karte the fir uske baad dusri hadees mai ek hi baar uthane ki riwayat hai to imam e aazam radiallho anh ke nazdik dusri hadees par amal hai.
algarz kehane ka maqsad ye hai ki agar aap ki hadees par dusra koi hukum na aaye to mai aapne ulema se zarur sawal karuga pehle aap hawala to pesh karo.
mujhe dukh ye hai ki aap hawala mangte to hai lekin dete nahi hai is baat ka mujhe dukh hai.
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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2011, 03:21:13 PM »

dear brothers - please stop it

Na to yehan koyee Aaalim hay na he koyee Buzurg Shakhsiat jo tamam sawalaat k jawabaat aapko day sakain. Hum sab to Aulia Allah k chahnay walay hain unsay mohabbat rakhnay walay hain - We all are TAALIB E ILM to learn about Islam to share and get Islamic knowledge what we learn and waht we get from Ulama e Haq - Buzurgan e Deen - Aulia Allah and also from the Islamic Book of Quran o Sunna.

So please no fight to each other and aik doosray k ualama ko bhe bura bhala kehnay ki koyee zaroorat nahen  kahen na danista tour pay kisi baray gunah ka irtikaab na hojaye. Aaapas main piyaar batain aur doosraon say Mohabbat hasil karain na k larain - yeh Aulia Allah ka forum hay jinka dars Mohabbat hay - Hum sab bhai bhai hain aur achchi nisbatain rakhtay hain to hamain in nisbaton ki paasdaari bhe karni hay aur woh paasdari achchay akhlaaq say hoti hay
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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2011, 06:48:55 PM »

Ek jagah kehte ho ki mai inse nafrat karta hu aur ek jagah kehte hi ki mai inke sath uthta bethta hu ye dogla pan ku
Shadab saheb,
Baithta uthta to main is forum pe bhi hun aapke saath bhi aur dusre jo Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi hai. Is forum pe sabhi log aate hai aur unke saath baat karne ke liye unke sath baithna hi padhta hai. Kya Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam yahudiyon ke saath nahi baithte the? are janaab aapko shayad pata hona chahiye ke humare Nabi kareem sualal la hu alaihewasallam ne to YAHUDI ke yahan KHANA tak KHAYA hai. Ab ye naye rules aapke ulema ko mubarak ho. Mind it kya Aapke ulema Wahabee, ahle hadees/Deobandi ke saath MUNAZARA karte waqt UNKE SAATH nahi baithte? Ohh sorry main to bhul hi gaya ke aapke Ulema to ab unke saath bhi baithna chod diye kyunki ab MUNAZRA jo nahi karna hai naa unke saath, ye sochke ke unke saath baithna jo padhegaa!!!
Waise bhi aapko bata dun ke aap bhul rahe hai ke main pehle se keh raha hun ke SABHI YAA SAARE SAARE KE woh log jo apne aap ko Waheeb/Ahle hadees/Deobandi and also now as per your ULEMA, SDI DI wale hai woh KAAFIR NAHI HAI jub tak unka AQEEDA GALAT SAABIT NAHI HOTAA YAA GALAT AQEEDE WALE JAISA NAHI HO JAATE.
AAPKE MUTABIK TO JO NAYA BACHA BHI PAIDA HOTA HAI INLOGON KE GHAR WOH BHI KAAFIR HAI KYUNKE YE UNKE SAATH REHTA HAI UTHTA HAI BAITHTA HAI AUR KHATA PEETA HAI. ALLAH AISE FITNEH SE BACHAYE
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baat ko samajhne ki koshish kar bhai plzzzzzz samajhne ki koshish kar. maine post padha jismein likha hai ke tu  Hazrat Sayyed Ainul Shah Sarkar ......jinki mazaar mumbai k chunabhatti area me hai unse bait hai. bhai tu ALLAH ke fazloon karam se sunni hai fir kyun tu baat samajh nahi raha hai.
dekh mujhe gussa zaroor aagaya tha jab tune apne aap ko ahle khabis kaha tha tab
lekin ab nahi hai.
bhai meri baaton par gaur kar ke PURE POST MEIN MAINE AUR SHADAB BHAI NE KISE BHI AULIYA E KIRAM KI BARGAH MEIN GUSTAKHI NAHI KI .
HAAN ILLYAS QADRI KO KHULA GUMRAH  & TAHIRUL PADRI KI GUMRAHI HADD E KUFR TAK PAHUCH CHUKI HAI YE ZAROOR KAHA .

MUSHFIQUE BHAI ,
hosh ko sambhal bhai, inko maine aur shadab ne nahi ye fatawa diya hai ,bhai ye fatawa huzoor TAJJUSHSHARIYA / ALLAMA ZIA UL MUSTAFA .....INJAISO kae sunni aalim e din ka kaul hai. to kyun kahan kisliye kahan kya wajohaad ki buniyaad per inhe aisa kaha gaya hai . ye tu zaroor puch sakta tha .lekin insab ki bajaye tu apna dimag dauda raha hai . bhai aap saaf saaf mujhe batae ke kya aap aalim hai ya nahi .
agar nahi hai to apne dimag se mat sochna. tera ye kehna ki maslke ala hazrat tumhe mubarak aur auliya hamein mubarak . mushfique ye baat sahi nahi hai. tune maslke aala hazrat ko samjha hi nahi hai , aur teri hi wajeh se mera jo post deobandi tableegi ke khilaf tha tune usse ULEMA E DIN AUR AULIYA E DIN   ke bich ka masla bana diya . bhai tu TAJJUSHSHARIYA ko kya samajh raha hai ? tu muhaddise kabir allama ZIA UL MUSTAFA ko kya samajh raha hai .hosh mein aa.
dekh maine mana ki maine illyas attar aur tahirul padri ke bare mai kaha hai..lekin wo ulema e ahle sunnat ke fatawa ke wajah se.
tu zara tere bare mein soch ki tu ne jo sare maslak e ala hazrat pe ungli uthae. Tajjushshariya ke bargah mein gustakhi ki .....ye tune kis ke fatawa ki wajeh je aisa kaha.
mushfique tune meri peer ki bargah mein gustakhi ki ,lekin mai ab bhi tujhe bhai keh raha hoon . sirf ye janne ke baad ke tu ahle khabis nahi hai aur sunni hai .
aur 1 baat main ne tujhe kab kaha ki main tujhe bhul gaya ki tune mujhe help ki thi.
mujhe yaad hai ki tune mujhe un khabison ko jawab dene mein meri help ki thi.
lekin tera apne aap ko ahle hadis kehne ke baad mujhe tujhse nafrat ho gayi.

aur ye mat samajhna ke darr ke mare  main tujhse pyar se baat kar raha hoon .
ye mai tujhe aakhri baar samjha raha hoon bhai agar tu jhe meri baat nahi samajhmein aati hai to fir  hadis pesh kar ke 1 dusre ka radd karenge
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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2011, 08:09:06 AM »

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baat ko samajhne ki koshish kar bhai plzzzzzz samajhne ki koshish kar. maine post padha jismein likha hai ke tu  Hazrat Sayyed Ainul Shah Sarkar ......jinki mazaar mumbai k chunabhatti area me hai unse bait hai. bhai tu ALLAH ke fazloon karam se sunni hai fir kyun tu baat samajh nahi raha hai.
dekh mujhe gussa zaroor aagaya tha jab tune apne aap ko ahle khabis kaha tha tab
lekin ab nahi hai.
bhai meri baaton par gaur kar ke PURE POST MEIN MAINE AUR SHADAB BHAI NE KISE BHI AULIYA E KIRAM KI BARGAH MEIN GUSTAKHI NAHI KI .
HAAN ILLYAS QADRI KO KHULA GUMRAH  & TAHIRUL PADRI KI GUMRAHI HADD E KUFR TAK PAHUCH CHUKI HAI YE ZAROOR KAHA .

MUSHFIQUE BHAI ,
hosh ko sambhal bhai, inko maine aur shadab ne nahi ye fatawa diya hai ,bhai ye fatawa huzoor TAJJUSHSHARIYA / ALLAMA ZIA UL MUSTAFA .....INJAISO kae sunni aalim e din ka kaul hai. to kyun kahan kisliye kahan kya wajohaad ki buniyaad per inhe aisa kaha gaya hai . ye tu zaroor puch sakta tha .lekin insab ki bajaye tu apna dimag dauda raha hai . bhai aap saaf saaf mujhe batae ke kya aap aalim hai ya nahi .
agar nahi hai to apne dimag se mat sochna. tera ye kehna ki maslke ala hazrat tumhe mubarak aur auliya hamein mubarak . mushfique ye baat sahi nahi hai. tune maslke aala hazrat ko samjha hi nahi hai , aur teri hi wajeh se mera jo post deobandi tableegi ke khilaf tha tune usse ULEMA E DIN AUR AULIYA E DIN   ke bich ka masla bana diya . bhai tu TAJJUSHSHARIYA ko kya samajh raha hai ? tu muhaddise kabir allama ZIA UL MUSTAFA ko kya samajh raha hai .hosh mein aa.
dekh maine mana ki maine illyas attar aur tahirul padri ke bare mai kaha hai..lekin wo ulema e ahle sunnat ke fatawa ke wajah se.
tu zara tere bare mein soch ki tu ne jo sare maslak e ala hazrat pe ungli uthae. Tajjushshariya ke bargah mein gustakhi ki .....ye tune kis ke fatawa ki wajeh je aisa kaha.
mushfique tune meri peer ki bargah mein gustakhi ki ,lekin mai ab bhi tujhe bhai keh raha hoon . sirf ye janne ke baad ke tu ahle khabis nahi hai aur sunni hai .
aur 1 baat main ne tujhe kab kaha ki main tujhe bhul gaya ki tune mujhe help ki thi.
mujhe yaad hai ki tune mujhe un khabison ko jawab dene mein meri help ki thi.
lekin tera apne aap ko ahle hadis kehne ke baad mujhe tujhse nafrat ho gayi.

aur ye mat samajhna ke darr ke mare  main tujhse pyar se baat kar raha hoon .
ye mai tujhe aakhri baar samjha raha hoon bhai agar tu jhe meri baat nahi samajhmein aati hai to fir  hadis pesh kar ke 1 dusre ka radd karenge

Dekhiye bhai jab aapko pata chala ke main kisise bait hun tub aapko khayal aya ke bhai main SUNNI hun. Yaani pata ye chala ke kisi ko bhi KAAFIR,GUSTAKH,MURTAD,GUMRAH kehne se pehle uske barein mein check karlena zaroori hai. To fir ye sab checking har ek deobandi/Wahabee/Ahle hadees/SDI/Di walon ke liye kyun nahi? Maine kaha Ahle hadees hun aur ab aapka Aqeeda ye hai ke aap mujhe SUNNI manrahe hai kyunki Altaf bhai ne ye bata diya ke main kisse bait hun kya ye TARIKA hum deobandi/Wahabee/Ahle hadees/SDI/Di walon ke liye nahi istemaal kar sakte?
Dekho Janaab main kisi bhi post ko ghumaya nahi hai. Dawa to aap hi kar rahe the ke “ALA HAZRAT RAHIMULLAH KE MASLAK SE JO KOI BHI RAI KE BARABAR BHI HATE US KO APNE SE DOOR KARDO CHAHE WOH TUMHARA BAAP HI KYUN NAA HO” aise kehne se aapne ek alag maslak bana liya aur baaki sab jo is maslak pe nahi hai woh gumrah hai. Kya aise mein Awliya Allah ka maslak dikha nahi? Wahabi/Ahle hadees/Deobandi bhi aisa hi kar rahe hai ke apne maslak se jo hate woh gumrah hai.
Mujhe andaza hai ke aapko Ala Hazrat rahimullah ke maslak se muhubbet hai main uska qadr karta hun lekin agar aap apne peer sahib ki baat ko SARE UMMAH pe thopna chahte hai to fir DUSRON ke peer sahib ka hukm unke murid kaise manenge?
Mera yehi DAWA hai ke SAARE ULEMA MILKE BHI EK AWLIYA ALLAH KE BARABAR NAHI HO SAKTE TO ISMEIN AAPKE ZIA UL MUSTAFA BHI AA GAYE AUR AZHARI MIYA BHI.
Ab aapke ULEMA AHLE SUNNAT kab se hogaye woh to sunni barelvi the naa? Janaab maine ungli isi wajeh se uthai ke aise ulema hai is duniya mein ke jo aapke rai se hatke fatwa de rahe hai!!! Maslan Mufti Akmal sahib ne saaf keh diya ke koi bhi apne aapko SHIA ya aur firke wala kehta ho uske kehne se kuch nahi uska AQEEDA dekha jayegaa.Kya ye aapke ULEMA ke nazdik kuch nahi? Ab ho kya raha hai ke Aapke ulema isi wajeh se unpe bhi fatwe dene shuru kardiya kyun woh sirf isi liye ke HUMARE MASLAK SE HATKE BOL RAHE HAI YE LOG!!!! Are bhai ego chodo aur dekho ke UMMAH mein kitne log aisa kehne se musalman nahi rahenge!!!
SDI gaya, DI gaya ab baaki kon bache SUFIYA karaam. AB AAP JAWAAB DE HI DE KE AAPKE NAZDIK MANSUR AL-HALLAJ RAHIMULLAH KE MUTALIK KYA AQEEDA HAI. AAGE KUCH AUR NAA KAHIYE SIRF ISI BAAT KA JAWAAB DE (HAZRAT MANSUR AL-HALLAJ RAHIMULLAH KE MUTALIQ).
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« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2011, 12:35:28 PM »

[mushfique.
 tujhe 1 kahawat batata hoon dyan se sun
 '' 1 baar 1 chuhe ko haldi miljati hai , to chuha sochne lagta hai ke main to BANIYA ban gaya "
wo hi haal tera hai .
maine tujhe dilse samjhane ki koshish ki lekin to soch raha hai ke mai tere se dar raha hoon.
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1) TUJHE TO APNE AAP PAR SHARM KARNI CHAHIYA KE TUNE APNE AAP KO AHLE KHABIS BATAYA.
 AUR SUN JAKE MUFTI SE FATAWA LE LENA KI AGAR KOE SHAKS MUSLIM HONE KE BAWAJOOD APNE AAP KO KEHTA HAI KE MAIN KAFIR HO TO US KA KYA HUKM HAI[/i].
tune likha hai ke" Dekhiye bhai jab aapko pata chala ke main kisise bait hun tub aapko khayal aya ke bhai main SUNNI hun. Yaani pata ye chala ke kisi ko bhi KAAFIR,GUSTAKH,MURTAD,GUMRAH kehne se pehle uske barein mein check karlena zaroori hai
are lekin jab tu khud apne aap ko ahle khabis zahir kar raha hai aur dusroon se ummed rakh raha hai mujhe muslim samjhe [/i] ?

To fir ye sab checking har ek deobandi/Wahabee/Ahle hadees/SDI/Di walon ke liye kyun nahi?
accha to ye sab checking musalmanoon ke liye kyun nahi ? ke kahi ye kafir to nahi ho gaya ? ( maaazALLAHhirabbilaalmin)
aise hi checking kafiroon ke liye kyun nahi ? hosakta hai ke kahin emaan leya ho ? (alhamdulillahhirabbilaalmin)

mujhe ye bata ke tu aise konse checking karleta hai jis se tujhe ye bata chal jata hai ke bhai mujhe iski  namaze janaja padhne hai ke nahi ?
bhai agr tu ye technique forum pe zahir kar de to tamaan masle ka hal ho jayega[/i]....


  “ALA HAZRAT RAHIMULLAH KE MASLAK SE JO KOI BHI RAI KE BARABAR BHI HATE US KO APNE SE DOOR KARDO CHAHE WOH TUMHARA BAAP HI KYUN NAA HO” aise kehne se aapne ek alag maslak bana liya aur baaki sab jo is maslak pe nahi hai woh gumrah hai. Kya aise mein Awliya Allah ka maslak dikha nahi?
chal bhai badi mehar bani hogi teri agar tu he mujhe bata de ki auliya e kamileen ka kya MASLAK kai ?

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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2011, 01:00:58 PM »

bhai log bohat hua ap dono ek dusrey ko sahi sabit karne ka bohat mauka milgaya hai, ab bus ye behas bohat hi tawil ho chuki hai ab na to sage akhtar aur na hi mushfiq ek dusrey ke khilaf kuch kahingy na hi unkey aqidey ke khilaf.

Sab hisab ALLAH karen wala hai jo sahi hoga wo akhirat main pata hi chal jayega, main aap dono se kahunga ki ab is topic ko agey na bahdaye aur apne apne peer ne jo kaha hai us par amal karey aur jo peer ka hukum hai wo khud ke liye hi rakhey dusron par apne peer ke farmana na daley.

Haar Peer ke talim main aksar fark hota hai isliye behtari ismain hi hai ki hum ye apas main behas bazi chod kar suniyat ka kaam karey apne peer ne jo rasta batya hai uspar sabit kadmi se chaley. Agar hum khud hi apas main ladtey rahngey to dusron ko to bohat mauka mileyga hum par hasne ka.

Wo to yahi kahngey ye sunni apas main hi ek nahi hai to dosron ko kya kahty rehty hai ye log.

Ab main nahi chata hun ki is topic par aur behas ho ya koi aise topic agey aap log nikaley jo ki unwanted behas ka shape le ley.


Ap log is mere last warning samjhye main agar kisne ne bhi aisa behas wala topic nikala to usko baan kardunga.
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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2011, 01:32:16 PM »

Bhai rehmani sahab aap keh rahe ho ki behas band kar de ise se pehle aap ne kaha tha ki tahirul padri par aap jhut keh rahe ho azhari miya ne aisa khuch nahi kaha hai aapne number diya ke inse puch lo  aur fir mene bareli sharif phone lagna munasib samjha magar jab mujhe link net pe hi mil gaiye thi  mene aap ko link bheji to na aapne na aapke board member ne kuch jawab na diya aur fir mene phone nahi lagaya fir aap keh rahe ho ke aise topic na nikale bahi jab koi shaks galat ho aur koi use sahi man raha ho to janne wale pe lazim hai ki vo use sahi bataye ab ho sakta hai ki isme hum bhi galat ho sakte hai aur mushafique bhi lekin done ke aaps ki jo galatfehmi hai vo dur hi jayengi.
Chalo sab baat band kar do sab topic mai bhi aur sage akhtar bhai bhi band kar dege aur hum koi post na karege is post par bus hame do sawal ka jawab mushafique se ya aur koi fourm member se chhaiye
1)Maslake aala hazrat alag firka hai aur ye buzurga ne din se alag hai?
2)Aur aala hazrat Radiyallho anh se pehle ke buzurg aur imam ki ktabo se sabit kardo ki gustake rasool aur kafir ko kafir nahi kehna chaiye.
Ye dono sawal ke jawab mujhe Aur aala hazrat Radiyallho anh se pehle aur huzoor mufti e aazam hind tak ke ulem e ahlesunnat ki kitabo se chahiye.
kasm parvadigar ki agar ye aap logo ne sabit kar diya to mai kabhi ye fourm par post na karuga aur agar mujhe iska jawab nahi milta hai to aap kitna hi ben laga le mai baar baar poat karta rahuga.
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