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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 11:53:20 AM »

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Jazak Allah brother for accepting the fact that there are others on this forum who are intelligent thanks to Allah. Truth always comes from mouth in this way. I think Sayyed Noorie saheb you need to see all the posts posted before, before labeling any muslim as deviant or wrong. I think so even Ala Hazrat Rahimullah would have not done what you have done over hear.

Brother Mushfiue
Jazakallah khayr for your comments.
Aapko apne baare be badi khush fehmi hai...Mashallah aapne badi kitaabein padi hain aur bahot unda zehan paaya hai...Aapka introduction bhi pada maine use padkar bhi muje yehi lag rha tha magr ab mujhe yaqeen hogya hai.

Magr mein aapko Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka k Qaul yaad dilaana chahunga...

Jo admi apne ko Alim kahe wo Jahil hai, aur jo apne ko Jannati kahe wo Jahunnami hai!  
Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).


Agar aap mera post firse ek Baar Aank khol kar, Thande Dimaag se  padenge to aapko pata chalega k maine kahin bhi aapko "deviant or wrong." nahi kaha hai.

Alaa hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ki baat karte hain aap Alaa hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). k Aleef tak bhi nai pahonche hain aap, agar unke fatwe aur kitaabein padte to aise unt pntaak swaal nai karte. yeh aam musalmaan ko aur Gumraah karega aur kuch haasil nai hoga isse...

Aapke Niyat ke questions ka Jwaab usi post me dediya gaya hai bahot hi Saaf aur Clear tarike se.
mangalsutra Hindu aurat k liye kitna eham hai aur kis kis Hindu kitaab me uska Zikar hai yeh bhi milega aapko wahan.
use manna na manna aapki Marzi hai.

Ham to umar bhar Talib-e-Ilm hi rahenge..hosakta hai Allah hame aake zariye hi JAANE ANJAANE kuch Ilm sikha de ...
Jaise k aapki ek post se hamaare Ilm me Jain logon ke Kapdon k baare me izaafa hogya waise hi aage bhi hota rahega.

Allah hame aur aapko hidaayat de..taaki ham aapas ki behan baazi se bachkar deen aur sunniyat k liye koi thos kaam karsakein..

Allah hafiz


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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 12:00:52 PM »


WHAT IS IHRAM?

The Ihram garments for men consist of two pieces of white sheet. Wrap the larger sheet around your waist to cover your body from the navel to the ankles. Secure the Ihram either with a belt or by a strip of fabric torn from Ihram material. Drape the other sheet over the back and shoulders and wear a pair of stitched or unstitched sandals or shoes which do not cover the ankles. The head should not be covered, and no underwear should be used. The Ihram should preferably be white.

Ihrâm literally means to make something harâm upon oneself. By adopting ihrâm (donning the two sheets, making niyat and reciting the talbiya, certain things which were halâl (allowed) now become harâm (not allowed) upon that person. Thus, we can say that ihrâm is a state (condition) which a person has subjected himself to and he can reverse this state only if particular rites are performed.

CONDITIONS OF IHRÂM:
•   To be a Muslim.
•   To form an intention and to recite the talbiya or any other zikr that is an acceptable substitute for the talbiya.

WÂJIBÂT OF IHRÂM:
•   To adopt ihrâm from the miqât.
•   To stay away from that which is prohibited in ihrâm.

SUNAN OF IHRÂM:
•   To perform ghusl and wudhu.
•   To apply itr before making an intention for the Ihrâm of Haj or Umrah.
•   To use two sheets as the dress for ihrâm.
•   To perform two rakâts salâh as sunnat of ihrâm
•   To recite the talbiya as reported in the Hadees Sharif
•   To recite it loudly
•   To recite it thrice

Brothers and sisters – Hamari daily life main aur Ibadaat main buhut si cheezain aisi hain jo Mustahab hain ya Afzal hain magar na karain to koyee gunah bhe nahen hay but agar un cheezon ko kar lain to be panah sawaab hay
Hum itnay gunahgaar log hain aur agar hamain 10 minute k amal say agar Mustahab and Afzal cheez ko karnay ka mauqa mil jaye to to hum apni aaqibat o aakhirat ko kyjn sawaab say pur na karain

And last but not least k agar hamaray kisi bhe amal main agar hum say Sunnat ada hojaye to is say achchi baat aur kiya hosakti hay aur Sunnat woh bhe piyaray Aqa Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam ki k jinhon nay har lehza apni ummat ko yaad rakha k bus meri ummat gham say bari hojaye hatta k waqt e rukhsat bhe aapkay Mubarak labon par Ummati Ummati he tha to kiya aik ummati ka yeh bhe haq nahen k woh 10 minutes aik Sunnat par amal karnay ka time nikal lay

Ihram ka White Color aur usko wear karnay say pehlay both Ghusl aur Wuzo karna Sunnat Mubarika hay to hamain chahiye k hum in donon cheezon ko karnay main peechay na hatain aur har dam har lehza apnay piyaray Aqa Kareem Sallallaho Alaihay Wasallam ki sunnat k amal k mutabiq apni zindagi ko guzarain – Allah Kareem hamain in par amal karnay ki taufeeq aur iska ajar e azeem ata farmaye. Ameen  


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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 01:13:13 PM »

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Aapko apne baare be badi khush fehmi hai...Mashallah aapne badi kitaabein padi hain aur bahot unda zehan paaya hai...Aapka introduction bhi pada maine use padkar bhi muje yehi lag rha tha magr ab mujhe yaqeen hogya hai.

Magr mein aapko Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). ka k Qaul yaad dilaana chahunga...

Jo admi apne ko Alim kahe wo Jahil hai, aur jo apne ko Jannati kahe wo Jahunnami hai! 
Hazrat Umar  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).



AAP k is qaul par mujhe bhi Imam Gazali  (Rahmatullahi Allaih) ka ek qaul yaad aaya jo k apne forum par hi post hai
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19227.msg64763.html#msg64763


Apnay Ap Ko Bhetar Samaj Lena Jehalat Hai Her Admi Ko
Apnay Sy Bhetar Samajna Chahiyan

imam Gazali (Rehmatullah Ta'ala  Alaih)

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 09:07:20 AM »

Janaab Sayyed Noorie Saheb, aap bhul rahe hai ke aapne mujhe Intelligent kaha hai apne pehle post pe aur maine aapko usike jawaab mein kaha hai ke Jazak Allah brother for accepting the fact that there are others on this forum who are intelligent thanks to Allah. Ismein AALIM hone ka dawa kaha se aa gaya? Aur aapki niyat kya thi jab aapne mujhe Intelligent kaha?

Aur behen Shifa, aapko ye dekh lena chahiye thaa ke maine apne kisi bhi post mein apne aapko Aalim yaa bohot zada ilm jan ne wala nahi kaha fir bhi aapne Sayyed Noorie sahib ke comment pe apna comment diya is se aapki bhi niyat pata chali.

Waise Janaab Appne mera introduction pura nahi padha. Main fir se yaha pe ek line post kar raha hun apne introduction ka. Zara uspe zaroor comment kijiyegaa:

“Talib E ILM, jaise ke aapne ye link pe http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,18461.0.html introduction dene ke liye kaha hai main apna introduction de raha hun.”

Mujhe Talib E ILM sahib ne kaha intro deneke liye isliye maine intro diya warna wo bhi nahi karta. Mujhe pata thaa ke aage chalke is intro ko lekar log yaani APP JAISE aise sawaal zaroor kareinge. Lekin galti to ho hi gayee.

Ab aapne ye bhi keh dala “Mashallah aapne badi kitaabein padi hain aur bahot unda zehan paaya hai... Aapka introduction bhi pada maine use padkar bhi muje yehi lag rha tha magr ab mujhe yaqeen hogya hai.”
Kya aapko ye sab kehne ke liye Allah ne kaha? Kya aapne kisi hadees ya Quran se ye sab sikha ke dusre musalman ko aap bada chada ke kehna chahiye take dusron ko lage ke ye shaks kitna apne aapko bada samjhta hai jubke aisa nahi hai?

Aapne shayad ye hadees sharif bhi na padi ho:
Sahi Bukhari 9.85
The Prophet said, "O people! The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions, and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended.

No comments.

Aapne Hazrat Umar Radiallahu ka kaul to pesh kiya lekin is baat ka bhi kaul dijiye ke dusre ko Inteligent kehna kaisa? Aur jub aisa kaha jaye dusre shaks ko tub usne kya samjhna chahiye?

Aapse ek aur guzarish hai ke aapne jo Hazrat Umar Radiallahu ka kaul pesh kiya hai uska zara refference dijiyegaa. Ye guzarish hai naa ke hukm!!!.

Aapne deviant ya wrong nahi kaha to kya yaha pe ye topic open karke aap mujhe sahi sabit kar rahe hai. Aapki niyat kya hai janaab?

Fir se wohi baat Ala Hazrat Rahimullah ke Alif tak nahi pohoche. Are aapse pucha kisne hai ke main kaha tak pohocha hun aur maine kaha bhi kab hai ke main kahatak pohocha hun. Allah reham farmaye. Aapne ye jawaab to diya hi nahi ke aapke jagah pe agar Ala Hazrat rahimullah hote to kya woh bhi aisa hi kehte?

Ab kya yahan pe aapne magalsutra ka topic discuss karne liya hai? To ab fir se mangalsutra yaha pe kyun? Janaab maine Talib E ILM saheb ke comment pe reply bhejaa thaa usi topic pe tub unhone ne mera post hone nahi diya. Aap chahe to Talib E ILM saheb se puchiye. Fir maine socha ke jub ye log nahi chahte reply dena to kya faida reply karke. Sabhi kuch to aapke haat mein hai yahan.

Janaab Appne to ye bhi keh diya ke aap Talibe ilm rahenge sari umar bhar. Aap fir apna opinion kyun dete hai forums pe. Jaise ke Imran bhai ne diya apna opinion fir baad mein kya hua, ek deobandi ke fatwe pe apna final statement de diya ke mangalsutra pehn na Makruh hai. Ye Talibe ilm kaha gaya waha pe?

“Allah hame aur aapko hidaayat de..taaki ham aapas ki behan baazi se bachkar deen aur sunniyat k liye koi thos kaam karsakein..”

Janaab AAP bhul rahe hai ke ye behes baazi aapne shuru ki hai is topic ke zariye aur ab aap hi keh rahe hai ke behas baazi se bachkar deen aur sunniyat ke liye kaam karein. Strange isn’t it.

Mujhe sirf itna hi kehna hai ke Haq sikho aur sikhao. Dusre musalman bhaiyon ko gunehgaar, mushrik yaa kaafir kehne se pehle khudko dekho aur is ummah ke unity ke liye kaam karo.

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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2010, 11:08:14 AM »

Mushfique Sahab, Aapki kisi bhi daleel me Koi dam nai hai. Sirf Behans karne k liye kuch bhi likhe jaarahe ho aap, Without any Logic watsoever,

Aapne kya sirf EK hi hadees sikhi aur samjhi hai apni puri zindagi me...

Sahi Bukhari 9.85
The Prophet said, "O people! The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions, and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended.
No comments.

Beshak har cheez Niyat par depend hai magr aap kal jaake kisi ka khoon kardein aur bolien meri niyat to usko maarne ki nai thi galti se margya to yeh chlega kya..

Jo cheez aapki samaj ke bahar hai uske Liye apne dimaag par zor na dein aur Aalimon ki baat ko maanien aur samjhein..

Mangalsutra ka discussion Fatwaa E Rizviya par khatm hua hai "Fatawa Razaviyyah, Vol 24, Page 532".

“Prayer offered wearing unlawful garments is Makrooh-e-Tehreemi i.e. it is subjected to be repeated (Wajib-ul-E’aada)” (Fatawa Razaviyyah, Vol 23, Page 101.

Agar AAPKI Nazar me Fatwa E Rizviya ek Deobandi Fatwaa hai to aap bhai Galat Jagah par ho.

Aap logon ko Gumrah karrahe ho yeh keh ke Mangalsutra Hindu Scriptures me nahi hai..aapne pta nai kitne baar yeh baat likhi, Jabki is baat ko prove kardiya gya ki Mangalstura Bahot si Hindu Scriptures me hai. Apne Ilm ki parakh karo.. Sure hojaao fir apna opinion diya karo aap bhai.

Sirf Bewakufon ki tarah gol gol baatein karne se Baaton ko ghumaane se kuch haasil nai hoga.

Unity ka yeh matlab nai hai k aap Hindu ki tarah shaadiyan karo, Ganesh Utsav me jaao, unke yahan naacho gaao aur apni jahalat ka sabut do.

Pehle Ek nek musalman bano..Jiske Ikhlaaq ko dekhkar log khud apne Deen ko chodkar tumhaare Deen me aane ki koshish karein..
Naaki Tum unke Deen ki cheezein apnaao.

Kisine kisi musalmaan ko Kaafir ya Mushrik nai kaha hai aap khud keh rahe ho... Is forum par sirf Fatwe post hue hain..Jinhe manna na manna aapki marzi hai.

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Aapne deviant ya wrong nahi kaha to kya yaha pe ye topic open karke aap mujhe sahi sabit kar rahe hai. Aapki niyat kya hai janaab?

Meri Niyat yeh thi ke jo koi masoom log aapke is Behuda swaal se soch me padgaye honge unki confusion dur kardun bas aur koi niyat nai thi..
Aapko sahi ya galat sabit karne ki. Aapne apni baaton se hi wo kaam bahot unda kardiya hai is forum par.

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2010, 11:32:23 AM »

Dear Brother "Sayed Noorie Sahab" and "Mushfique Sahab" its very good to be reading both your views but please maintain the DECORUM of the forum by not using words
like BEWAKUF, Gumrah, Kafir.

Please use polite words and Do not use HARSH WORDS.


We are Discussing here and Not Debating.


The Admin reserves the Right to Delete any post which is found to be agains the Decorum of the Forum and this is a Final warning and in future Your Posts Will be Edited or Deleted without any further warning if we find any Harsh word in it.

Please just post your views and do not decide for others.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2010, 11:41:39 AM »

Brother please dont make it PERSONAL here..
we are here to help understand our DEEN better in a very nice way..

Please make your replies soft and polite so that others reading it can learn some good things..

This is just a Discussion and Allah (Subhana wa taaala). and RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam knows the Best..

So please just give your views and NO DECISIONS.


And brother Mushfique the Discussion dint get stopped on any Deobandi School there is Fatwaa E Rizviya in the END
And we have already applied for a FRESH, New Fatwaa from BAREILLY Shariff and Insha Allah we will get it soon and
within a Couple of Days we will post it online in the Same Thread.

So just Chill brothers. Dont make it personal.

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 12:55:09 PM »

Brother please dont make it PERSONAL here..
we are here to help understand our DEEN better in a very nice way..

Please make your replies soft and polite so that others reading it can learn some good things..

This is just a Discussion and Allah (Subhana wa taaala). and RasoolAllah  sal-lal-lahu alai hi wa sallam knows the Best..

So please just give your views and NO DECISIONS.


And brother Mushfique the Discussion dint get stopped on any Deobandi School there is Fatwaa E Rizviya in the END
And we have already applied for a FRESH, New Fatwaa from BAREILLY Shariff and Insha Allah we will get it soon and
within a Couple of Days we will post it online in the Same Thread.

So just Chill brothers. Dont make it personal.

Allah Hafiz

Agreed on this brother. If fatwa is to be followed then no discussion please. No need for forum or discussion as Fatwa is the last resort. I think this is what is being portrayed over here. I have great love for Ala Hazrat Rahimullah but every one who is now giving FATWA is not as great as ALA HAZRAT Rahimullah. So may this ummah be blessed with good fatwas rather than creation of differences and fight.
Ek aur baat Sayyed Noorie saheb ke liye.....Kya Makrueh Tehrmi karne wala shaks Gunehgaar hota hai aur naa karne wala sawaab ka hakdaar, to makrueh tehrmi aur HARAAM mein kuch farak raha ke nahi? Kyunki haraam use kehte hai jiske karne se gunah hai aur naa karne se Sawaab. Please elaborate.

No harsh feelings and Masood Khatri saheb and admin saheb please maafi chahta hun agar koi aise alfad nikle ho to! I am trying to maintain the Decorum of this forum.
Jazak Allah for looking at my views. People and admin can now see very well who is using words like Bewakuf, Gumrah and Jaahil.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 01:17:38 PM »

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Agreed on this brother. If fatwa is to be followed then no discussion please. No need for forum or discussion as Fatwa is the last resort. I think this is what is being portrayed over here. I have great love for Ala Hazrat Rahimullah but every one who is now giving FATWA is not as great as ALA HAZRAT Rahimullah. So may this ummah be blessed with good fatwas rather than creation of differences and fight.


Bade bhai, Aaj bhi jo log FATWAA derahe hain wo log bhi Aalim hain, aur Mufti hai magar BESHAK Alaa Hazrat   (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).  ke muqable par to duniya me koi nai aasakta,
But jo aaj ke log Fatwaa Dete hain wo Alaa Hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). Fatwe ki Roshni me dete hain.. Unki Books articles or References ko dekh kar refer karke hi dete hain..

When we sent our person to take the Fatwaa they dint give it immediately they asked him to come back after 4-5 days..
Bcoz they need time to Refer the Orignal Work of Alaa Hazrat.   (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). and it will be Insha Allah mentioned in the FATWAA..

Brother as you already know FATWAA is a Opinion of the SCHOLAR not a RULE of ISLAM..and if somebody thinks that he knows
a Better Scholar or He Himself is a Better scholar then he can go ahead with his decision.

We are here to Discuss and give our Views and Our Views cannot be called Fatwaa.
But you can definitely go ahead and say that I do NOT Agree with this Fatwaa or I agree with this Fatwaa.

Everyone has his own free wish and nobody can change that.

Regarding Makruh please post your comments also on this thread.

http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html

as Genie, S.Syed, Rizwan bhai, and Mamqasmi are already following that thread..and have given their views there..

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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2010, 02:10:37 PM »

Sabse pehle to mein sabse maafi mangna chaunga agar mere post se kisiko taqleef hue ho..
Sorry to all brothers especially Mushfique sahab.

"Kya Makrueh Tehrmi karne wala shaks Gunehgaar hota hai aur naa karne wala sawaab ka hakdaar,
to makrueh tehrmi aur HARAAM mein kuch farak raha ke nahi?"

meri aqal ke hisaab se Haraam wo cheez hai jo Quran aur hadees me saaf saaf bata de gayee hai ke ise karna manaa hai..
Jaise Shraab Peena, Jua Khelna, Suwar ka gosht khaana, Khoon Peena..etc etc..

Jabki Makrooh e Tehrimi Haraam k bahot nazdeek hai magar Haraam nai kahaa jasakta magar ise baar baar karne se
yeh GUNAHE KABEERA mein shumaal hoga.

Iski Aadat bnana sakht Gunaah aur Na pasandida hai.

aur is topic par aage guftagu yahan horhi hai..
what is Makruh, its types with definations....
http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html

sabse mein maazrat chahta hun...
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2010, 08:09:24 AM »

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Agreed on this brother. If fatwa is to be followed then no discussion please. No need for forum or discussion as Fatwa is the last resort. I think this is what is being portrayed over here. I have great love for Ala Hazrat Rahimullah but every one who is now giving FATWA is not as great as ALA HAZRAT Rahimullah. So may this ummah be blessed with good fatwas rather than creation of differences and fight.


Bade bhai, Aaj bhi jo log FATWAA derahe hain wo log bhi Aalim hain, aur Mufti hai magar BESHAK Alaa Hazrat   (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu).  ke muqable par to duniya me koi nai aasakta,
But jo aaj ke log Fatwaa Dete hain wo Alaa Hazrat  (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). Fatwe ki Roshni me dete hain.. Unki Books articles or References ko dekh kar refer karke hi dete hain..

When we sent our person to take the Fatwaa they dint give it immediately they asked him to come back after 4-5 days..
Bcoz they need time to Refer the Orignal Work of Alaa Hazrat.   (Radiallahu Ta’ala Anhu). and it will be Insha Allah mentioned in the FATWAA..

Brother as you already know FATWAA is a Opinion of the SCHOLAR not a RULE of ISLAM..and if somebody thinks that he knows
a Better Scholar or He Himself is a Better scholar then he can go ahead with his decision.

We are here to Discuss and give our Views and Our Views cannot be called Fatwaa.
But you can definitely go ahead and say that I do NOT Agree with this Fatwaa or I agree with this Fatwaa.

Everyone has his own free wish and nobody can change that.

Regarding Makruh please post your comments also on this thread.

http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html

as Genie, S.Syed, Rizwan bhai, and Mamqasmi are already following that thread..and have given their views there..




Well said brother......Agreed on all aspects.....Will wait for the opinion or FATWA from Bareily sharif......One last thing, so if a person finds a better scholar who comes with a better proof can one follow it?
Also how far can one go and discuss the issues related to any topic with the help of Quran and hadees on his own....please put forward your views. And Sayyed Noorie saheb bohot bohot shukriya for explaining everythig. Makruh ka silsila hum is link pe post karenge....http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php/topic,19600.0.html
 Jazak Allah everyone....
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2010, 09:20:56 AM »

Dear Brother "Sayed Noorie Sahab" and "Mushfique Sahab" its very good to be reading both your views but please maintain the DECORUM of the forum by not using words
like BEWAKUF, Gumrah, Kafir.

Please use polite words and Do not use HARSH WORDS.


We are Discussing here and Not Debating.


The Admin reserves the Right to Delete any post which is found to be agains the Decorum of the Forum and this is a Final warning and in future Your Posts Will be Edited or Deleted without any further warning if we find any Harsh word in it.

Please just post your views and do not decide for others.


Jazak Allah Masood bahi  for warning....
Hum to yeh discussion padh kar bohot darr gaye they....

Allah (Subhana wa taaala). hum sub ko sarat e mustaqim par chalaye...Aameen........
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